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Actually all the outsource this time will do is the embroidery - she has to draw up and provide the full design herself - so given she is making the design the only differences are
1. Scale - CH is a much bigger embroidery project but this is I am sure covered in the cost difference for said embroidery
2. CH has to create the design and nami did not create the design she paid another person to create and embroider
3. CH is not a POC
This project is going to pay something like 10-12k usd into an Indian business - it will pay (fair wages) to people in a developing country and will get full credit for that work
We can discuss how the dress is linked to colonialism but at the end of the day her snark about not doing embroidery herself is hypocritical given she doesn’t embroider herself either.
Do you think that we should not support industries in developing countries?
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Except that CH is presenting it as something *inspirational* that anyone can accomplished with enough dedication and hard work instead of something someone can buy off someone else. It's her project, her baby, ignore that someone else did the hardest bit. N is cosplaying, and never pretended it was anything but a collaboration.stormpie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:20 pm
Actually all the outsource this time will do is the embroidery - she has to draw up and provide the full design herself - so given she is making the design the only differences are
1. Scale - CH is a much bigger embroidery project but this is I am sure covered in the cost difference for said embroidery
2. CH has to create the design and nami did not create the design she paid another person to create and embroider
3. CH is not a POC
This project is going to pay something like 10-12k usd into an Indian business - it will pay (fair wages) to people in a developing country and will get full credit for that work
We can discuss how the dress is linked to colonialism but at the end of the day her snark about not doing embroidery herself is hypocritical given she doesn’t embroider herself either.
Do you think that we should not support industries in developing countries?
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Have you even watched the peacock dress videos? I think there is one entire video dedicated to BB connecting her with the embroiderers in India, She paid special attention to finding out the name of the person who embroidered the sample for her, the outsourcing of the embroidery is heavily focused on. And yeah the you can achieve your dreams motivational speaking bullshit that she spews out weekly is tiring but it is unfair to say that she has ever pretended this attempt at the peacock dress is anything but a collaboration with Indian embroiderers. Can you point out where she has pretended anything else?MaterialCultureGirl wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 8:18 pm
Except that CH is presenting it as something *inspirational* that anyone can accomplished with enough dedication and hard work instead of something someone can buy off someone else. It's her project, her baby, ignore that someone else did the hardest bit. N is cosplaying, and never pretended it was anything but a collaboration.
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I am really not understanding this "this dress should not be reproduced because it is problematic". Was this dress a symbol of wealth and likely used poor people's labor to get it done? Absolutely. But are you sure your fast fashion clothes are not made by underpaid / exploited employees? Shouldn't we focus our outrage on that? On something that's not int he past and should be fixed? And can we leave CH to play in her sewing room and sew her dream dress - she is after all going to pay people who are professional embroiders (eg they chose this job, do it and get paid for it and gave her a quote that means thus is what's their work worth) to get something done she cannot do herself. Do I like her videos and attitude and personality? No. But saying she shouldn't be working on a dress because it has a problematic past, while we live in a world where we still have exploited employees and where we accept this world - I find that pretty silly.
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You make some really good points but I think the elephant in the room is how this dress was originally created as an explicit symbol of colonialism and Britain's rule over India. That's why it's different. If she had chosen any other Worth gown it would still have been linked to exploitation of poor people's labor but the intended (!) link between the Peacock dress and colonialism is what makes this dress so problematic. She's also not just making it for herself in her sewing room. She's been very public about making it for the last 10 years, ignoring the racist history of the dress until very recently. She's made money from making this dress.Niwiad wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:38 amI am really not understanding this "this dress should not be reproduced because it is problematic". Was this dress a symbol of wealth and likely used poor people's labor to get it done? Absolutely. But are you sure your fast fashion clothes are not made by underpaid / exploited employees? Shouldn't we focus our outrage on that? On something that's not int he past and should be fixed? And can we leave CH to play in her sewing room and sew her dream dress - she is after all going to pay people who are professional embroiders (eg they chose this job, do it and get paid for it and gave her a quote that means thus is what's their work worth) to get something done she cannot do herself. Do I like her videos and attitude and personality? No. But saying she shouldn't be working on a dress because it has a problematic past, while we live in a world where we still have exploited employees and where we accept this world - I find that pretty silly.
I don't think this projekt is salvageable to be honest. I do think her hiring Indian embroiderers and paying them what their work is worth is a good thing and 100% different from how Worth exploited the original embroiderers back in 1903. But unless she really plans on donating (or even selling, I don't care) this to a museum where it will be exhibited in its historical context, I don't see how making a dress with a history like this just for yourself to play dress up in is a good and okay thing.
We do need to talk about the fast fashion industry and loads of costubers are actually doing that. Lots of people have taken up sewing as a hobby to make their own clothes (which can still be tricky because it's not always possible to know where the fabric came from too) but at the same time, sewing can be an expensive hobby and buying "slow fashion" is expensive as well. I think we need to have this conversation but I don't think it's "silly" to talk about historical exploitation and links to colonialism as well, especially because modern fast fashion developed from changes in the fashion industry in the later 19th century so the two topics are absolutely connected.
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Yes this dress has been the same dress for the past decade and yet only recently has it been noted as an issue. You can't blame her for ignoring a racist history that the greater community was happy to ignore for the best part of that decade, and in the most recent attempt it has not been ignored it has been put front and centre. I think her plan has always been to have it in the museum next to the original so they can see what the dress is supposed to look like.BeaLynne wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:28 am
You make some really good points but I think the elephant in the room is how this dress was originally created as an explicit symbol of colonialism and Britain's rule over India. That's why it's different. If she had chosen any other Worth gown it would still have been linked to exploitation of poor people's labor but the intended (!) link between the Peacock dress and colonialism is what makes this dress so problematic. She's also not just making it for herself in her sewing room. She's been very public about making it for the last 10 years, ignoring the racist history of the dress until very recently. She's made money from making this dress.
I don't think this projekt is salvageable to be honest. I do think her hiring Indian embroiderers and paying them what their work is worth is a good thing and 100% different from how Worth exploited the original embroiderers back in 1903. But unless she really plans on donating (or even selling, I don't care) this to a museum where it will be exhibited in its historical context, I don't see how making a dress with a history like this just for yourself to play dress up in is a good and okay thing.
We do need to talk about the fast fashion industry and loads of costubers are actually doing that. Lots of people have taken up sewing as a hobby to make their own clothes (which can still be tricky because it's not always possible to know where the fabric came from too) but at the same time, sewing can be an expensive hobby and buying "slow fashion" is expensive as well. I think we need to have this conversation but I don't think it's "silly" to talk about historical exploitation and links to colonialism as well, especially because modern fast fashion developed from changes in the fashion industry in the later 19th century so the two topics are absolutely connected.
I also think she is going to do a big piece at some point about the "weight" of the dress in historical terms which then actually is a benefit - shining a big golden threaded spotlight on a part of history that is often brushed over.
In any case I am willing to give her the benefit of the doubt that she will cave to public pressure because ..... well its kind of what she does.
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Completely agree.stormpie wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:43 amYes this dress has been the same dress for the past decade and yet only recently has it been noted as an issue. You can't blame her for ignoring a racist history that the greater community was happy to ignore for the best part of that decade, and in the most recent attempt it has not been ignored it has been put front and centre. I think her plan has always been to have it in the museum next to the original so they can see what the dress is supposed to look like.BeaLynne wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:28 am
You make some really good points but I think the elephant in the room is how this dress was originally created as an explicit symbol of colonialism and Britain's rule over India. That's why it's different. If she had chosen any other Worth gown it would still have been linked to exploitation of poor people's labor but the intended (!) link between the Peacock dress and colonialism is what makes this dress so problematic. She's also not just making it for herself in her sewing room. She's been very public about making it for the last 10 years, ignoring the racist history of the dress until very recently. She's made money from making this dress.
I don't think this projekt is salvageable to be honest. I do think her hiring Indian embroiderers and paying them what their work is worth is a good thing and 100% different from how Worth exploited the original embroiderers back in 1903. But unless she really plans on donating (or even selling, I don't care) this to a museum where it will be exhibited in its historical context, I don't see how making a dress with a history like this just for yourself to play dress up in is a good and okay thing.
We do need to talk about the fast fashion industry and loads of costubers are actually doing that. Lots of people have taken up sewing as a hobby to make their own clothes (which can still be tricky because it's not always possible to know where the fabric came from too) but at the same time, sewing can be an expensive hobby and buying "slow fashion" is expensive as well. I think we need to have this conversation but I don't think it's "silly" to talk about historical exploitation and links to colonialism as well, especially because modern fast fashion developed from changes in the fashion industry in the later 19th century so the two topics are absolutely connected.
I also think she is going to do a big piece at some point about the "weight" of the dress in historical terms which then actually is a benefit - shining a big golden threaded spotlight on a part of history that is often brushed over.
In any case I am willing to give her the benefit of the doubt that she will cave to public pressure because ..... well its kind of what she does.
I think the real victims here are the Indian embroiderers here. They've been promised a job that will most likely pay in the $10,000s, not to mention the massive boost in exposure to 100,000s globally and now the whole project might not go ahead because some super-enlightened Americans think they know what's best for Indians living in India. I mean, if you listen really carefully you can hear Edward Said spinning in his grave.
Plus even if she had said that this was a project that anyone could accomplish, i.e. her making her dream dress, the fact that she is so heavily reliant on the Indian embroiderers for the finish product would put that delusion to bed. It's literally the first thing you notice when you see the dress.
I know she's been sketchy as hell in the past but in this case I think lots of her old friends are rushing to call her out in the most hypocritical way possible and it honestly just makes them come across as really shitty and untrustworthy, especially when they all gushed over the Peacock Dress project themselves, e.g. BB and Noelle.
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$10 000 US is not a lot of money, it's really not. Most of that will end up going to the company, taxes, etc, and the embroiderers will get very little of it.
India is full of custom embroidery shops, and there is a lot of work, I doubt the cancellation of one small project will barely register.
As for the question of exposure, hardly anyone who is interested in the dress, watching Cathy's channel or involved in the amateur costuming industry will ever be in a position to commission custom embroidery from India, and if they were, the shops would not be interested in doing one or two pieces for someone in the USA or Europe. They do high end custom work for clients in India and across the diaspora (have you ever seen an Indian wedding suit?), or for corporate clients (professional costumers, fashion design houses) elsewhere in the world. None of these people pay any attention to Cathy Hay.
India is full of custom embroidery shops, and there is a lot of work, I doubt the cancellation of one small project will barely register.
As for the question of exposure, hardly anyone who is interested in the dress, watching Cathy's channel or involved in the amateur costuming industry will ever be in a position to commission custom embroidery from India, and if they were, the shops would not be interested in doing one or two pieces for someone in the USA or Europe. They do high end custom work for clients in India and across the diaspora (have you ever seen an Indian wedding suit?), or for corporate clients (professional costumers, fashion design houses) elsewhere in the world. None of these people pay any attention to Cathy Hay.
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The thing that offends me the most about the peacock dress project is that she has done multiple fundraisers to get the money to make the damn thing over the last decade. CH is more than happy to take everyone’s money, but she can’t be arsed to deliver on the goods.
We can go around and around forever on whether or not it’s ok to make a dress with a problematic history or if it’s ok to outsource labor to skilled artisans, but for me, the real issue about this entire project always has been the way CH exploits the costuming community.
She’s raised the money to make the dress multiple times over, since 2011 at least. It’s never happening. We are getting outraged over all the big picture shit, when the reality is that she realized years ago that she’s making way more money off the idea of the dress than she ever would if she actually made it. Even the outrage about it feeds the “conversation” which she can then spin into monetized videos to milk everyone who tunes into hate-watch for more money.
In a lot of ways, I wish the costuming community would just agree to stop giving CH a platform at all. Take away her revenue stream by ignoring her. Problem solved.
We can go around and around forever on whether or not it’s ok to make a dress with a problematic history or if it’s ok to outsource labor to skilled artisans, but for me, the real issue about this entire project always has been the way CH exploits the costuming community.
She’s raised the money to make the dress multiple times over, since 2011 at least. It’s never happening. We are getting outraged over all the big picture shit, when the reality is that she realized years ago that she’s making way more money off the idea of the dress than she ever would if she actually made it. Even the outrage about it feeds the “conversation” which she can then spin into monetized videos to milk everyone who tunes into hate-watch for more money.
In a lot of ways, I wish the costuming community would just agree to stop giving CH a platform at all. Take away her revenue stream by ignoring her. Problem solved.
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It sounds like people did bring the racist context of the dress up, is the thing. They were either ignored, or bullied into silence by Bernadette (who's suddenly found her conscience now that she and Cathy are on the outs.)stormpie wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:43 amYes this dress has been the same dress for the past decade and yet only recently has it been noted as an issue. You can't blame her for ignoring a racist history that the greater community was happy to ignore for the best part of that decade, and in the most recent attempt it has not been ignored it has been put front and centre. I think her plan has always been to have it in the museum next to the original so they can see what the dress is supposed to look like.BeaLynne wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:28 am
You make some really good points but I think the elephant in the room is how this dress was originally created as an explicit symbol of colonialism and Britain's rule over India. That's why it's different. If she had chosen any other Worth gown it would still have been linked to exploitation of poor people's labor but the intended (!) link between the Peacock dress and colonialism is what makes this dress so problematic. She's also not just making it for herself in her sewing room. She's been very public about making it for the last 10 years, ignoring the racist history of the dress until very recently. She's made money from making this dress.
I don't think this projekt is salvageable to be honest. I do think her hiring Indian embroiderers and paying them what their work is worth is a good thing and 100% different from how Worth exploited the original embroiderers back in 1903. But unless she really plans on donating (or even selling, I don't care) this to a museum where it will be exhibited in its historical context, I don't see how making a dress with a history like this just for yourself to play dress up in is a good and okay thing.
We do need to talk about the fast fashion industry and loads of costubers are actually doing that. Lots of people have taken up sewing as a hobby to make their own clothes (which can still be tricky because it's not always possible to know where the fabric came from too) but at the same time, sewing can be an expensive hobby and buying "slow fashion" is expensive as well. I think we need to have this conversation but I don't think it's "silly" to talk about historical exploitation and links to colonialism as well, especially because modern fast fashion developed from changes in the fashion industry in the later 19th century so the two topics are absolutely connected.
I also think she is going to do a big piece at some point about the "weight" of the dress in historical terms which then actually is a benefit - shining a big golden threaded spotlight on a part of history that is often brushed over.
In any case I am willing to give her the benefit of the doubt that she will cave to public pressure because ..... well its kind of what she does.
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It's not really true that it's only recently been noted as an issue, it's more that it used to be easier to ignore critical voices but times are changing. The history of the dress has been known forever and there is no way Cathy didn't learn about it when she first did her research into the dress. But what's done is done, I'm just slightly nervous to see this project go forward for many reasons, the history of the dress being only one of them. If she actually made that video about the history of the dress, I'd like that, but I want to see it before I give her credit for it.stormpie wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:43 amYes this dress has been the same dress for the past decade and yet only recently has it been noted as an issue. You can't blame her for ignoring a racist history that the greater community was happy to ignore for the best part of that decade, and in the most recent attempt it has not been ignored it has been put front and centre. I think her plan has always been to have it in the museum next to the original so they can see what the dress is supposed to look like.
I also think she is going to do a big piece at some point about the "weight" of the dress in historical terms which then actually is a benefit - shining a big golden threaded spotlight on a part of history that is often brushed over.
In any case I am willing to give her the benefit of the doubt that she will cave to public pressure because ..... well its kind of what she does.
Oh, good point. Her making money off the dress without any actual real progress making it bothers me as well but I never realised that she might be doing it on purpose. It sadly makes sense though.SnarkySnax wrote:She’s raised the money to make the dress multiple times over, since 2011 at least. It’s never happening. We are getting outraged over all the big picture shit, when the reality is that she realized years ago that she’s making way more money off the idea of the dress than she ever would if she actually made it. Even the outrage about it feeds the “conversation” which she can then spin into monetized videos to milk everyone who tunes into hate-watch for more money.
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Every single Peacock Dress video has more than 100K views and a few have several times that. How can you possibly argue that no one watching would have want to commission some big lucrative project of their own? How on earth can you make such a bold statement when such a huge amount of this thread is devoted to the fact that there's so much money in costuming / costube?fillyjonkwhobelieved wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:12 am$10 000 US is not a lot of money, it's really not. Most of that will end up going to the company, taxes, etc, and the embroiderers will get very little of it.
India is full of custom embroidery shops, and there is a lot of work, I doubt the cancellation of one small project will barely register.
As for the question of exposure, hardly anyone who is interested in the dress, watching Cathy's channel or involved in the amateur costuming industry will ever be in a position to commission custom embroidery from India, and if they were, the shops would not be interested in doing one or two pieces for someone in the USA or Europe. They do high end custom work for clients in India and across the diaspora (have you ever seen an Indian wedding suit?), or for corporate clients (professional costumers, fashion design houses) elsewhere in the world. None of these people pay any attention to Cathy Hay.
And whilst 10k+ might not be much in America, it's still a sizeable commission at a time when these are few and far between.
ETA that I think this is probably a pointless conversation anyway as I reckon she's probably going to use Nami's video as an excuse to stop (or completely alter the project beyond all recognition).
My biggest worry is - if this scenario does occur - is that Nami will get hate for being the one who stopped the dress from happening. I know people had been objecting to the dress for years, but this is the internet. Bloody hope I'm wrong.
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We definitely need more conversations about modern exploitation.Or at least for those conversations to factor into conversations about historical exploitation. I saw a great comment in the comments of the "IKEA fabric chemise a la reine video" where someone pointed out that for all the talk she's doing exploitation, the only reason that IKEA fabric costs what it did was because of the exploitation of low-wage laborers in India.Niwiad wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:38 amI am really not understanding this "this dress should not be reproduced because it is problematic". Was this dress a symbol of wealth and likely used poor people's labor to get it done? Absolutely. But are you sure your fast fashion clothes are not made by underpaid / exploited employees? Shouldn't we focus our outrage on that? On something that's not int he past and should be fixed? And can we leave CH to play in her sewing room and sew her dream dress - she is after all going to pay people who are professional embroiders (eg they chose this job, do it and get paid for it and gave her a quote that means thus is what's their work worth) to get something done she cannot do herself. Do I like her videos and attitude and personality? No. But saying she shouldn't be working on a dress because it has a problematic past, while we live in a world where we still have exploited employees and where we accept this world - I find that pretty silly.
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LOL can you imagine the community-wide meltdown of epic proportions if the Cathy stans tried to blame Nami for Cathy’s antics?AnAssumedName wrote: ETA that I think this is probably a pointless conversation anyway as I reckon she's probably going to use Nami's video as an excuse to stop (or completely alter the project beyond all recognition).
My biggest worry is - if this scenario does occur - is that Nami will get hate for being the one who stopped the dress from happening. I know people had been objecting to the dress for years, but this is the internet. Bloody hope I'm wrong.
I think Nami is safe.
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CH has already thrown a bit of shade at Nami in her response to Nami’s vid. And even if she doesn’t point a finger there will almost certainly be some rabid CH fans who come after Nami, some probably already have.SnarkySnax wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 8:03 amLOL can you imagine the community-wide meltdown of epic proportions if the Cathy stans tried to blame Nami for Cathy’s antics?AnAssumedName wrote: ETA that I think this is probably a pointless conversation anyway as I reckon she's probably going to use Nami's video as an excuse to stop (or completely alter the project beyond all recognition).
My biggest worry is - if this scenario does occur - is that Nami will get hate for being the one who stopped the dress from happening. I know people had been objecting to the dress for years, but this is the internet. Bloody hope I'm wrong.
I think Nami is safe.
CH should just make a different fucking dress!! You know, not one that’s a literal symbol of oppression?? She could still employ the embroiderers and still use the $ she fundraised (or not, that’s probably long gone) and still get accolades from her adoring fans.
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That's my preferred solution at this point. How difficult would it be to choose another elaborately decorated gown or alter the embroidery design? Maybe even hire the embroiderers to create a design of their choice and pay them for the additional time.Justagoat wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:10 amCH has already thrown a bit of shade at Nami in her response to Nami’s vid. And even if she doesn’t point a finger there will almost certainly be some rabid CH fans who come after Nami, some probably already have.SnarkySnax wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 8:03 am
LOL can you imagine the community-wide meltdown of epic proportions if the Cathy stans tried to blame Nami for Cathy’s antics?
I think Nami is safe.
CH should just make a different fucking dress!! You know, not one that’s a literal symbol of oppression?? She could still employ the embroiderers and still use the $ she fundraised (or not, that’s probably long gone) and still get accolades from her adoring fans.
Nevermind that part of me is reeling over how the fact that thousands of dollars is going to part of a gown, even if it's the main part. If the embroidery of this gown is $10,000, that's more than half of my household's savings. I can't even imagine spending that much on one dress.
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Delurking. Greetings, all.
I love how M&D posts a story in response to people saying, "You know what, I don't know enough to have an opinion" and she's all -- UNACCEPTABLE! And then is like, "look at this random study I'm using to illustrate a point, where I don't actually know the name of the organization or the details I'm using to illustrate said point." It's fine for her to be ignorant, but others? "Something something RACISM!"
I love how M&D posts a story in response to people saying, "You know what, I don't know enough to have an opinion" and she's all -- UNACCEPTABLE! And then is like, "look at this random study I'm using to illustrate a point, where I don't actually know the name of the organization or the details I'm using to illustrate said point." It's fine for her to be ignorant, but others? "Something something RACISM!"
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Exactly! It could even be a peacock dress but how much more meaningful to involve them in the process?herewego2 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:39 am[
That's my preferred solution at this point. How difficult would it be to choose another elaborately decorated gown or alter the embroidery design? Maybe even hire the embroiderers to create a design of their choice and pay them for the additional time.
Nevermind that part of me is reeling over how the fact that thousands of dollars is going to part of a gown, even if it's the main part. If the embroidery of this gown is $10,000, that's more than half of my household's savings. I can't even imagine spending that much on one dress.
Does anyone know how much money she fundraised to make it? I can’t imagine she really raised $10K but maybe she did?
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Re: Costuber/Costuming Community - Part 2
People spouting off opinions without thought or actual research is how we get people saying Colonial Williamsburg was a plantation. If I don't know enough about something or have a strong opinion on it, I just don't comment. It's really not that hard. The world is not clamoring to hear my opinion on any given topic and I don't need to publicly comment on every scandal or controversial subject.itiswhatitis35 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:40 amDelurking. Greetings, all.
I love how M&D posts a story in response to people saying, "You know what, I don't know enough to have an opinion" and she's all -- UNACCEPTABLE! And then is like, "look at this random study I'm using to illustrate a point, where I don't actually know the name of the organization or the details I'm using to illustrate said point." It's fine for her to be ignorant, but others? "Something something RACISM!"