Emma "I'm A Musician, Not A YouTuber" Blackery - Part 3

[DaylightAmy]

So I personally just can't really stand her style of music so instead of listening to it I went and read her lyrics and... Jesus Christ, are we sure she's not 15? I mean seriously! How are you 27 and your songs are (still) about threatening to have 'dirt' on someone else and not being cool enough for other people? Fake friends? FFS.

Perpetually in fucking highschool, these YouTubers it's actually legitimately sad. If you're well into the second half of your 20s and your inner songwriter voice is still firmly focused on popularity and drama, maybe like go on a meditation retreat or something. You need some quiet in your fucking life... because you clearly are struggling to drown out the white noise.

[bansheemagnolia]

So I personally just can't really stand her style of music so instead of listening to it I went and read her lyrics and... Jesus Christ, are we sure she's not 15? I mean seriously! How are you 27 and your songs are (still) about threatening to have 'dirt' on someone else and not being cool enough for other people? Fake friends? FFS.

Perpetually in fucking highschool, these YouTubers it's actually legitimately sad. If you're well into the second half of your 20s and your inner songwriter voice is still firmly focused on popularity and drama, maybe like go on a meditation retreat or something. You need some quiet in your fucking life... because you clearly are struggling to drown out the white noise.

Very well put!

[Ghostie_]

She’s saying she can’t believe it’s been out two days already aye and where did it chart? It didn’t. Getting into the top whatever then dropping out doesn’t count. Only the offfical chart placing does and if she was a signed artist she’d probably have been dropped by now.

[pale-blue-monster]

So I personally just can't really stand her style of music so instead of listening to it I went and read her lyrics and... Jesus Christ, are we sure she's not 15? I mean seriously! How are you 27 and your songs are (still) about threatening to have 'dirt' on someone else and not being cool enough for other people? Fake friends? FFS.

Perpetually in fucking highschool, these YouTubers it's actually legitimately sad. If you're well into the second half of your 20s and your inner songwriter voice is still firmly focused on popularity and drama, maybe like go on a meditation retreat or something. You need some quiet in your fucking life... because you clearly are struggling to drown out the white noise.

Very well put!

I mean... Taylor swift had the whole reputation thing.. like look want you made me do? It's similar to Emma's album.

And Ariana had the whole popular song which was literally about being popular at school.

[BaskingShark]

So I personally just can't really stand her style of music so instead of listening to it I went and read her lyrics and... Jesus Christ, are we sure she's not 15? I mean seriously! How are you 27 and your songs are (still) about threatening to have 'dirt' on someone else and not being cool enough for other people? Fake friends? FFS.

Perpetually in fucking highschool, these YouTubers it's actually legitimately sad. If you're well into the second half of your 20s and your inner songwriter voice is still firmly focused on popularity and drama, maybe like go on a meditation retreat or something. You need some quiet in your fucking life... because you clearly are struggling to drown out the white noise.

Very well put!

I mean... Taylor swift had the whole reputation thing.. like look want you made me do? It's similar to Emma's album.

And Ariana had the whole popular song which was literally about being popular at school.

I see what you mean, and though I agree in general, I think those examples are not that comparable (long post ahead, so fair warning).

Arianna was 19 at the time of popular song’s release, when she was presumably a lot less mature. Not to mention that song is a partial re-write of a the song Popular from Wicked. The whole message of Wicked is it’s better to be true to yourself yada yada, and is basically against being bitchy. And like I said Arianna will have had little input into the song’s meaning because it was already written.

Swift’s Look what you made me do is mainly about Katy Perry and Kanye West I believe. Katy Perry (allegedly) hired a bunch of backing dancers very shortly before Taylor’s tour began, putting the whole tour in jeopardy. While Kanye West put a realistic model of Taylor’s naked body in his music video without her permission. I don’t care whether you think Taylor is a liar, but Kanye’s Famous music video is edging very close to revenge porn/nudes, and people who think it’s funny or justified are disgusting.

Either way both Arianna and Taylor’s songs seem to have explanations/reasons that seem a lot more reasonable than you had a twitter fight with a former friend because they made a joke in poor taste.

And let me be clear, I think it’s fine to use real life experience to inspire music, in fact I think it’s admirable because it makes the music more meaningful in my opinion. However, both Arianna and Taylor limited the amount of songs per album about a particular event.

In Arianna’s case the Popular Song is form her first album Yours Truly, and is the only song on the album about friendship and popularity. Now I know Taylor’s album is called reputation, but most of the songs are about her romantic relationships, aside from Look What You Made Me Do the only other song about losing friend is This Is Why We Can’t Have Nice Things. Now if I was to run through Villains track list:

Villains Part 1: My friends are evil
Dirt: Want revenge on friends
Agenda: Want revenge on friends
Fake Friends: My friends are evil
Icarus: This is my fault
Take Me Out: My friends are evil
Petty: My Ex is Evil
Third Eye: Want revenge on friends
What I felt With You: Ex made me sad
Burn the Witch: Want revenge on friends
Villains Part 2: This is my fault

… Yikes.

I don’t mean to be harsh (I do actually like the majority of the songs and still listen to them reasonably regularly on Spotify) but it is true. I appreciate a concept album as much as the next person, but there has to be some variation in topic because there’s only so many times I can listen to a songs that are about the exact same thing.

[pale-blue-monster]

So I personally just can't really stand her style of music so instead of listening to it I went and read her lyrics and... Jesus Christ, are we sure she's not 15? I mean seriously! How are you 27 and your songs are (still) about threatening to have 'dirt' on someone else and not being cool enough for other people? Fake friends? FFS.

Perpetually in fucking highschool, these YouTubers it's actually legitimately sad. If you're well into the second half of your 20s and your inner songwriter voice is still firmly focused on popularity and drama, maybe like go on a meditation retreat or something. You need some quiet in your fucking life... because you clearly are struggling to drown out the white noise.

Very well put!

I mean... Taylor swift had the whole reputation thing.. like look want you made me do? It's similar to Emma's album.

And Ariana had the whole popular song which was literally about being popular at school.

I see what you mean, and though I agree in general, I think those examples are not that comparable (long post ahead, so fair warning).

Arianna was 19 at the time of popular song’s release, when she was presumably a lot less mature. Not to mention that song is a partial re-write of a the song Popular from Wicked. The whole message of Wicked is it’s better to be true to yourself yada yada, and is basically against being bitchy. And like I said Arianna will have had little input into the song’s meaning because it was already written.

Swift’s Look what you made me do is mainly about Katy Perry and Kanye West I believe. Katy Perry (allegedly) hired a bunch of backing dancers very shortly before Taylor’s tour began, putting the whole tour in jeopardy. While Kanye West put a realistic model of Taylor’s naked body in his music video without her permission. I don’t care whether you think Taylor is a liar, but Kanye’s Famous music video is edging very close to revenge porn/nudes, and people who think it’s funny or justified are disgusting.

Either way both Arianna and Taylor’s songs seem to have explanations/reasons that seem a lot more reasonable than you had a twitter fight with a former friend because they made a joke in poor taste.

And let me be clear, I think it’s fine to use real life experience to inspire music, in fact I think it’s admirable because it makes the music more meaningful in my opinion. However, both Arianna and Taylor limited the amount of songs per album about a particular event.

In Arianna’s case the Popular Song is form her first album Yours Truly, and is the only song on the album about friendship and popularity. Now I know Taylor’s album is called reputation, but most of the songs are about her romantic relationships, aside from Look What You Made Me Do the only other song about losing friend is This Is Why We Can’t Have Nice Things. Now if I was to run through Villains track list:

Villains Part 1: My friends are evil
Dirt: Want revenge on friends
Agenda: Want revenge on friends
Fake Friends: My friends are evil
Icarus: This is my fault
Take Me Out: My friends are evil
Petty: My Ex is Evil
Third Eye: Want revenge on friends
What I felt With You: Ex made me sad
Burn the Witch: Want revenge on friends
Villains Part 2: This is my fault

… Yikes.

I don’t mean to be harsh (I do actually like the majority of the songs and still listen to them reasonably regularly on Spotify) but it is true. I appreciate a concept album as much as the next person, but there has to be some variation in topic because there’s only so many times I can listen to a songs that are about the exact same thing.

I don't think it's harsh, thanks for explaining it, I don't listen to Taylor Swift or Ariana Grande that much, those are just examples I thought off cause I listen to those two songs.

[sniffingoutdanger]

Sorry to be out of the loop, I’m just really not enough of a fan of Emma’s voice to listen to her whole album - just not my personal taste - can anyone give a TLDR of the songs about the other youtubers?

dirt is about her twitter drama with hazel hayes and jack howard a while back... i don't know what happened to stem that drama but the lyric "then you came on twitter saying i'm bitter (honey have you looked in the mirror?)" is most probably is referencing this tweet by hazel in august of 2017:

considering that emma has stated that burn the witch is dirt's "sister track" then i assume that it's about the same people. i suppose burn the witch is either a continuation or a conclusion to that same drama.

an emma stan told a group chat that emma told her personally that fake friends was about evan edinger back when everyone had enough of her. whether this is true or not is debatable however emma and this girl have constant interactions on twitter and are pretty good friends. it would also make sense as to why it would be about him when what emma has said about the song is taken into consideration:

"i wrote this when everyone told me he was “nice, really.” when i was gaslighted into believing i must be crazy to think he could be a bad person. a lot’s changed since then. when i cut ties with someone, trust me. if you see me running away, run with me. or don’t; i love being proven right."

what i felt with you is so obviously about her split with luke cutforth, and although the song is about the split itself and not about luke as a person, i can't help but notice that emma keeps insinuating that he has a girlfriend despite luke announcing no such thing publicly. she did it with instead, with the lyric:

"and your ex girlfriend's asked you out
and i can't see you turning her down"

and with what i felt with you, with the lyric:

"i know her name
and i don't think i could handle
knowing more than that"

i kinda see that as a bit disrespectful to luke's private life but i digress.

apart from petty (which is about her ex-boyfriend of whom she went to college with) and third eye (where it's unknown who the song is truly directed towards), the rest of the tracks are about herself.

[fudgeland]

Has anyone else noticed that Emma seems to be purposely trying to interact with almost everyone on her Twitter too, fan wise. (Seeming to be only Twitter too, if you look at my next point further along)
She likes almost every Tweet that she is mentioned in, and now she's even liking and responding to so many tweets by fans, that aren't even about her or ones that she's not even mentioned in - meaning she'd have to be going and looking on their profiles personally to like and respond to stuff etc.
h.

Obviously the album didn't do as well as she thought it should, because she dropped pushing the album pretty quickly - normally there's more months of promo after the fact, but it looks like she just got bored with it after the tour was done. What, no new videos? Not even an obligatory 'on the road' live montage video backed by a track off the album? I guess that would cost more money - even though she could make it from existing audience-shot videos (they would love that) and she's decided it's not worth returning to. Granted, the time for that has passed anyway.

i don't think that's the only reason that villains failed.

not only (in my opinion) was the album incredibly boring...
the thing is... emma has potential. it's just what she does with that potential is what determines how "famous" she'll become. she has a new chance to promote cute without ya and yet she's not even doing THAT correctly.

Totally agree on the quality of the songwriting and lyrical themes - I have boxes of tissues with more variety of design. Dirt and Agenda are virtually interchangable - I saw a YT video where someone spliced them together and it's seamless. When I listened to the whole album, there was one or two songs that weren't singles that were the best tracks.. I can't remember which ones now and I'm not interested in going back to find out.

Also, yes the roll-out for the singles and videos was poorly done - there should be no reason to release anything until the entire album is ready, and then you can correctly judge which songs will be singles, and in what order. All of that is important.. and you don't need to be on a label to know that.

My original post was mostly just to say how surprised I was how she doesn't push it more. Even in her YT video descriptions, there's no "stream and buy my album!" link, it's just lumped in with all the "merch". Very bad marketing.

And CYW is more eye-rolling nonsense for me, follows the same lyrical tropes as the the other songs on the album and it's even weaker, tbh. I found the production choices to be slightly annoying. I know, I'm not the target demo again but even listening to other pop music that she's trying to emulate and it's nowhere near it.

Also interesting to know some of the songs are directed at YTers, I didn't know that. Would explain why dodie, who I thought was somewhat chummy with her didn't say a word about the album when it came out.

[DaylightAmy]

So I personally just can't really stand her style of music so instead of listening to it I went and read her lyrics and... Jesus Christ, are we sure she's not 15? I mean seriously! How are you 27 and your songs are (still) about threatening to have 'dirt' on someone else and not being cool enough for other people? Fake friends? FFS.

Perpetually in fucking highschool, these YouTubers it's actually legitimately sad. If you're well into the second half of your 20s and your inner songwriter voice is still firmly focused on popularity and drama, maybe like go on a meditation retreat or something. You need some quiet in your fucking life... because you clearly are struggling to drown out the white noise.

Very well put!

I mean... Taylor swift had the whole reputation thing.. like look want you made me do? It's similar to Emma's album.

And Ariana had the whole popular song which was literally about being popular at school.

The other replies to this are already excellent but I wanted to say... that's exactly why I hated Taylor's "Reputation" album - so for me the same thing applies. Taylor Swift, though a great songwriter, also does not radiate maturity and insight to me. "Delicate" was the only song I enjoyed off Reputation, and it's a lovesong and she STILL managed to shove in a "nobody likes me" like come the fuck on.

[Guest]

Anyone else mysteriously unfollowed Emma on all social media? I noticed Instagram was Emma-free and found I'd unfollowed her. I checked Twitter too and found I wasn't following her on there when I was before. It's not like I use the same usernames too, so idk how she found all my social media, if she blocked me and unblocked me or something.

[Ghostie_]

Emma did also write a song about Jack Howard...

I know part of that would have been satire but I wonder if maybe just maybe there was some resentment towards Hazel because they were going out?

Just speculating

[sniffingoutdanger]

Also interesting to know some of the songs are directed at YTers, I didn't know that. Would explain why dodie, who I thought was somewhat chummy with her didn't say a word about the album when it came out.

fun fact: emma played dodie the album before it's release (like... before dirt was even released. i doubt the album was finished i think she just played her some demos / mixes) and all she had to say about it was:

"it is so different. it is so fun. i think that's the word that i'd give it... it's so fun. it's REALLY fun, it's the kind of thing that i'd put on and walk down the street like (mimics dancing). it's different. i would say .... don't judge the entire concept by one song. you have to wait, be patient, listen to the whole thing and see it as human art."

i'm loving how she didn't even say the word "good" throughout her entire statement. she probably didn't want to say anything because she lives with hazel hayes and overall they're both really good friends. such good friends that hazel actually directed dodie's music video for human.

[Rin Doodling]

Hi there. I've been lurking around in this forum since Emma disappeared from social media cause I wanted to know what's going on. I didn't originally plan to participate, but I kinda need to vent a little.

So the video where she wanted to explain her absence will probably not go online at all. She must've finished recording it a while ago and her IG Story hinted at not wanting to upload it as well.



While I'm not a fan of saying that YouTubers "owe" us anything, she announced the video. Her diehard fans are most likely looking forward to that video, longing for an explanation. Is she just gonna continue as if nothing happened?

Gotta say, I think this is disrespectful to her stans. Yes, it's her personal life. Yes, she said she doesn't want any more drama. BUT. Someone said it here before, people were probably really worried about her well being. She doesn't need to post a 20 min video explaining everything in great detail.
Gurl, just upload something where you briefly describe why you were gone and what has changed now that you're back.

[Illogic_ally]

Anyone else mysteriously unfollowed Emma on all social media? I noticed Instagram was Emma-free and found I'd unfollowed her. I checked Twitter too and found I wasn't following her on there when I was before. It's not like I use the same usernames too, so idk how she found all my social media, if she blocked me and unblocked me or something.

I wonder if Instagram was glitching or something, because the same thing happened to me twice with Carrie Hope Fletcher the other day. I don’t really use twitter so I can’t comment there, but it was definitely weird. Wouldn’t surprise me if both of them pulled passive aggressive shit like a block/unblock thing though


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[KittyKisses]

Hi there. I've been lurking around in this forum since Emma disappeared from social media cause I wanted to know what's going on. I didn't originally plan to participate, but I kinda need to vent a little.

So the video where she wanted to explain her absence will probably not go online at all. She must've finished recording it a while ago and her IG Story hinted at not wanting to upload it as well.



While I'm not a fan of saying that YouTubers "owe" us anything, she announced the video. Her diehard fans are most likely looking forward to that video, longing for an explanation. Is she just gonna continue as if nothing happened?

Gotta say, I think this is disrespectful to her stans. Yes, it's her personal life. Yes, she said she doesn't want any more drama. BUT. Someone said it here before, people were probably really worried about her well being. She doesn't need to post a 20 min video explaining everything in great detail.
Gurl, just upload something where you briefly describe why you were gone and what has changed now that you're back.

That’s what she does, pretends nothing happens.
She can’t post anything about her “personal life” and her “boyfriend” without either lying or proving she’s a liar.
Nothing much has been said about that publicly aside from gg, but that will probably change if she comes out lying or calling others liars in a video.

[beachingaboutyou]

Have you noticed how different her instagram is now? She deleted so many pictures, even the Davey one she had.

[Guest]

Have you noticed how different her instagram is now? She deleted so many pictures, even the Davey one she had.

Even the ones of where she was trying to be a "fashion blogger" are gone.

[Ghostie_]

She does that all the time. It’s so she can lie to herself and pretend she’s always been soft and floral (copied Taylor).

Probably wants the media to thing she was always soft and delicate when really she’s toxic

[KittyKisses]

Have you noticed how different her instagram is now? She deleted so many pictures, even the Davey one she had.

Both the Davey pics are still there. Like she’d delete those.

[Ghostie_]

She’s rude as fuck on IG.

I had a look at her North Korea book post as wow, Emma posting a picture that isn’t of herself!! and someone asked for a recommendation and she rudely bit their head off with “A true life story like the one I just posted on my feed”

Anyone else also cringe at how she reposts her photos to her story to go “hey guys please go like this on my feed” is she 14. Like 4 like