That is the saddest thing...She actually doesn't have real friends, who are not connected to Alfie to tell her the way things really are.geepee19 wrote:It really is sad to watch. Zoe is also always the one to upload the rare photos that they have together, and I have noticed even their minions commenting that Alfie does not seem interested in her anymore.Caddy01 wrote:I actually felt really sorry for Zoe in her Amsterdam vlog. She seems to still love Alfie and hes just completely indifferent. They act really weirdly with each other, like they've only been together a couple of months and don't really know each other yet, Zoe acts really nervous around alfie. And the "gorgeous" is so forced. I definitely think they are having relationship counselling. She compliments him all the time and he never compliments her, all he cared about was more shopping
Also do they actually have sex? The sex museum isn't that explicit, like theres some porn and a bdsm section but nothing shocking. It looked like it made Zoe really uncomfortable and it's mostly just funny, which is weird for a 27 year old.
I liked her a bit more in the vlog, she seemed a bit less irritating than when sloppy or Mark are around. Their trip was boring but that's their choice, I really can't get worked up about what they did in Amsterdam, they can do what they want.
Having said that I'm a dentist and the amount of sugar Zoe eats makes me shrivel up inside, she had pancakes, then a giant milkshake, then donuts, then sweets and chocolate, it's so much. Even if she's only taking a bite it's so many episodes of sugar! Everything she eats is just sugar. How does she have any teeth?
She must know? Surely? I don't understand what she's clinging on to anymore. She turns 28 in a few weeks. The relationship is dead and is too far gone to be revived.
She must really lack the self-esteem to drop him. If she had any real friends, they should tell her she looks a fool and to get out before its too late for her to settle with someone else.
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Did they actually go out for dinner the entire time they were in Amsterdam? Surely you'd go out at least once?
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I don't think so. They got pizza on two of the nights I think! They only seemed to have breakfast and lunch out.wild_heart101 wrote:Did they actually go out for dinner the entire time they were in Amsterdam? Surely you'd go out at least once?
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they showed snacks from the supermarket the first night, then the next day they ordered deliveroo and then pizza on valentine's daywild_heart101 wrote:Did they actually go out for dinner the entire time they were in Amsterdam? Surely you'd go out at least once?
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Eating pizzas on valentine's day!? I believe that there are some nice restaurants in Amsterdam for romantic dinners.glamdamage wrote:they showed snacks from the supermarket the first night, then the next day they ordered deliveroo and then pizza on valentine's daywild_heart101 wrote:Did they actually go out for dinner the entire time they were in Amsterdam? Surely you'd go out at least once?
If they really are having relationship counselling, both of them are not even trying hard to improve. It all just look forced.
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I think she would break up woth Alfie only if someone new came in. And that will never happen because she doesen't go out.
Zoe should go somewhere alone, even for a night. Being available for your partner 24/7 is never good, in my opinion this is what killed Alfie's feelings. And meybe really taking time for herself would bring her perspective how relationship should work.
Every year she says that her resolution is focusing on herself more, but I don't see that. Laying on a couch and taking long baths is not being "selfish". It's being lazy and not wanting what's good for you.
Zoe should go somewhere alone, even for a night. Being available for your partner 24/7 is never good, in my opinion this is what killed Alfie's feelings. And meybe really taking time for herself would bring her perspective how relationship should work.
Every year she says that her resolution is focusing on herself more, but I don't see that. Laying on a couch and taking long baths is not being "selfish". It's being lazy and not wanting what's good for you.
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haven't you heard? she has ANXIETY!!!!!!!!!!sororitygirl123 wrote:Seeing that everyone is at fashion week and BAFTA awards it made me wonder doe Zoe get invited to these things? Obviously she wouldn't go, but it made me wonder why she would give up these great opportunity.
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Can you imagine zoe dressed up for something like that though? My mind cannot compute that image.girlwithredlips wrote:haven't you heard? she has ANXIETY!!!!!!!!!!sororitygirl123 wrote:Seeing that everyone is at fashion week and BAFTA awards it made me wonder doe Zoe get invited to these things? Obviously she wouldn't go, but it made me wonder why she would give up these great opportunity.
They were both taking the piss out of not going in insta stories last night, while lying on the sofa going through zalfie fan edits and laughing hysterically over her pea head and what their baby would look like #hizoe
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Unfortunately if it's not an event she can wear some high waisted Topshop jeans, a random slogan top from Joanie, a bobble hat and some ASOS shoes, she won't bother RSVP'ing...Gizmo2323 wrote:Can you imagine zoe dressed up for something like that though? My mind cannot compute that image.girlwithredlips wrote:haven't you heard? she has ANXIETY!!!!!!!!!!sororitygirl123 wrote:Seeing that everyone is at fashion week and BAFTA awards it made me wonder doe Zoe get invited to these things? Obviously she wouldn't go, but it made me wonder why she would give up these great opportunity.
They were both taking the piss out of not going in insta stories last night, while lying on the sofa going through zalfie fan edits and laughing hysterically over her pea head and what their baby would look like #hizoe
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Even if she did go and wore evening glamour, she probably would turn up in something garish and bright whilst everyone else wore black for the Time's up movement.girlwithredlips wrote:Unfortunately if it's not an event she can wear some high waisted Topshop jeans, a random slogan top from Joanie, a bobble hat and some ASOS shoes, she won't bother RSVP'ing...Gizmo2323 wrote:Can you imagine zoe dressed up for something like that though? My mind cannot compute that image.girlwithredlips wrote:haven't you heard? she has ANXIETY!!!!!!!!!!sororitygirl123 wrote:Seeing that everyone is at fashion week and BAFTA awards it made me wonder doe Zoe get invited to these things? Obviously she wouldn't go, but it made me wonder why she would give up these great opportunity.
They were both taking the piss out of not going in insta stories last night, while lying on the sofa going through zalfie fan edits and laughing hysterically over her pea head and what their baby would look like #hizoe
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Like those weird pyjamas that Mark got her in their 'Best Friend Does My ASOS Haul' video with some crumbs in her braHearMeRoar wrote:Even if she did go and wore evening glamour, she probably would turn up in something garish and bright whilst everyone else wore black for the Time's up movement.girlwithredlips wrote:Unfortunately if it's not an event she can wear some high waisted Topshop jeans, a random slogan top from Joanie, a bobble hat and some ASOS shoes, she won't bother RSVP'ing...Gizmo2323 wrote:Can you imagine zoe dressed up for something like that though? My mind cannot compute that image.girlwithredlips wrote:haven't you heard? she has ANXIETY!!!!!!!!!!sororitygirl123 wrote:Seeing that everyone is at fashion week and BAFTA awards it made me wonder doe Zoe get invited to these things? Obviously she wouldn't go, but it made me wonder why she would give up these great opportunity.
They were both taking the piss out of not going in insta stories last night, while lying on the sofa going through zalfie fan edits and laughing hysterically over her pea head and what their baby would look like #hizoe
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Ι think she feels tense because apparently she reads here -or maybe whoever their managing team is nowadays has advised them on that- and she wants Alfie to show how much she's into her.HearMeRoar wrote:What's her problem...That's a cute compliment. I like it when my boyfriend of 3 years says that. How high maintenance for her to demand being called gorgeous and beautiful basically..dumblydore wrote:did anyone see alfie's instastory - he said "you look... lovely" and she was like "you don't say 'you look lovely' to your girlfriend of 5 years, you say that to your grandma" - THAT'S BECAUSE YOU ARE HIS GRANDMA
Unpopular opinion here; I quite think Alfie does actually love her. I don't know maybe it has to do with age or character -I'm 28 btw- but I know for sure that couples that have been together a long time are not always super smoochy lovey dovey I'm crazy about you I compliment you on everything like they are in beginning of their relationship. Sometimes after a while love manifests itself in a more down to earth way and Alfie seems to care about her. I think they both like each other genuinely, but what I see is that Alfie cannot please Zoe ever. She is high maintainance even though we might not get yo see it all the time, some of the things she's said and does in general show that, he has just stopped dealing with her 100% he looks tired, you what I mean? I think even Mark is getting a little tired of this facade they have to put up to please her. Does anyone else feel the same?
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I think Alfie does love her, but not in a way that's sustainable. Deep down he wants to break up I believe but that is deep in his subconscious, it's too hard to recognize because it conflicts with the fact that he does still love her... she's pretty much like a member of his family at this point and how do you break up with a member of your family? But just because you still have love for someone doesn't mean you can still be with the person.
But no, I don't agree with people that think he just hates her every day lol. And what also makes it confusing is that sometimes in a long term relationship you do kinda hate your partner (okay not legit HAT but you know what I mean) every so often, sometimes they bug the crap out of you, etc. Sometimes people have a difficulty recognizing that they're not just in another rough patch, but rather they are no longer compatible.
But no, I don't agree with people that think he just hates her every day lol. And what also makes it confusing is that sometimes in a long term relationship you do kinda hate your partner (okay not legit HAT but you know what I mean) every so often, sometimes they bug the crap out of you, etc. Sometimes people have a difficulty recognizing that they're not just in another rough patch, but rather they are no longer compatible.
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I just don’t think she can bear that people have moved on and do things without her. The rest of the Gleamers needed her subs 5/6? years ago and loved to do collabs etc with her. Now they don’t need her but she can’t stand that.
I mean really, how you can not see how pathetic that it is, taking the piss out of your so called friends and then laughing at fan edits of yourself?! I cannot believe this woman is nearly 28. She went to an amazing European city and ordered pizza to eat in her Air BnB??? I’m all for people have different opinions, likes and hobbies but this girl child has NOTHING about her. I would love it even if she was into something like stamp collecting if she was passionate about it and doing something with her life!!!
I mean really, how you can not see how pathetic that it is, taking the piss out of your so called friends and then laughing at fan edits of yourself?! I cannot believe this woman is nearly 28. She went to an amazing European city and ordered pizza to eat in her Air BnB??? I’m all for people have different opinions, likes and hobbies but this girl child has NOTHING about her. I would love it even if she was into something like stamp collecting if she was passionate about it and doing something with her life!!!
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I think that's a good way of putting it.Lamour88 wrote:I think Alfie does love her, but not in a way that's sustainable.
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I think it's possible to love someone, but it still not be the right relationship for you/them.
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[quote]Having said that I'm a dentist and the amount of sugar Zoe eats makes me shrivel up inside, she had pancakes, then a giant milkshake, then donuts, then sweets and chocolate, it's so much. Even if she's only taking a bite it's so many episodes of sugar! Everything she eats is just sugar. How does she have any teeth?/quote]
I dont eat sugar at all for those reason. I'm very ocd with my teeth. i brush after every meal i have. and i always think that when i see her and many youtubers drink so much sugary drinks like orange juice and soda and then eat so much deserts in one day. I feel like if i was a dentish (kind of my dream job lol) people like that would drive me up the wall from the pure ignorance to teeth care and diet. i think she should go get a diabetes test, i would not be surprised if she is or close.
I dont eat sugar at all for those reason. I'm very ocd with my teeth. i brush after every meal i have. and i always think that when i see her and many youtubers drink so much sugary drinks like orange juice and soda and then eat so much deserts in one day. I feel like if i was a dentish (kind of my dream job lol) people like that would drive me up the wall from the pure ignorance to teeth care and diet. i think she should go get a diabetes test, i would not be surprised if she is or close.
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Honestly we don't really know them off camera in there real moments so its hard to say anything. but all relationship start with lust and desire and eventually fade into friendships. There was a time when i couldnt be apart from my husband for a moment, we would cling to one another and couldnt keep our hands of each other, and years gone by i noticed i didnt feel so obsessed as i once did and started to question "does that mean i dont love anymore" i told my husband why? because our world tells us that, unless your deep in a love trance, that means its time to breakup. but he made me realise that were more in love because its beyond sex and the excitement of getting to know each other and curiosity, too a deep friendship where we know what the other is thinking so we care about each others well being. everyone gets to this point, just some give up because it isnt butterflies and rainbows anymore. i think viewers what that version, because this version is to comfortable and boring to everyone else around. i think they care for each other. "they would take a bullet" but love defines many things to each person. so i wouldn't say there not in love, their just not in lust because their past that. yes i think some things play a part in their personalitys not clashing. Alfie is a independant, outgoing guy who likes to be with his guy friends and stay productive, and zoe is an introvert who enjoys quite evenings in her blanket enjoying the simple life, so they have separate lifestyles which makes it appear they are crumbling at the scenes. i dont know... i like to hear opinions on this?geepee19 wrote:Having said that I'm a dentist and the amount of sugar Zoe eats makes me shrivel up inside, she had pancakes, then a giant milkshake, then donuts, then sweets and chocolate, it's so much. Even if she's only taking a bite it's so many episodes of sugar! Everything she eats is just sugar. How does she have any teeth?
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Oh I totally agree with the grown-up longtime relationship point, that is the reality even for real celebs no matter the fairytale we've been sold.
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1. They never had the crazy in love phase.
2. Compared to other longtime couples like idk Felix & Marzia, Fleur & Mike (and Fleur is kinda of a shrew lol), who else Emma & Brad, the Michalaks, gamers Lizzy & Noel ( I don't know who you ppl follow) there IS a difference. Hell they are less into each other than the SJs! Once again they are young and filthy rich and we never saw a hint of the young love stage.
It's in the vlogs, the way they interact, their SM, the sum of everything.
I agree that he loves her as in cares for her. They are both very narcissistic and spoiled since birth (not a coincidence that they both became individual YTers unlike most other couples^).
She is clingy and needy af and he is too daft and in-his-own-world to even function. He never had to "have game" and she is his first and only real GF. I bet he doesn't even know what it's like to be obsessed with someone (not their subs and views) in the beginning of a relationship, he just doesn't know better. Not like Fleur who went to uni and only saw Mike on weekends? Like Pewds and Marzia who had to save for months to buy plane tickets and lived off shitty jobs in the other person's country? Yeah riiiight.
Imagine the good it'd do her and their couple if she had a normal life, got out, interacted with real peole, with other men, who'd find her attractive maybe even show an interest in her, if he saw he could lose her and be grateful that he scored such a catch. Instead he takes her completely for granted and she holds on to every little bone he throws her.
It all boils down to how they met and why they got together. Would he have even pursued her if she wasn't Zoella? If so would they have been more than a fling...
I don't think they will ever break up though. I don't think she's that ready for kids and he's almost as boring as her. In theory she wants a lot of things but in reality they are more on the same page than we think.
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1. They never had the crazy in love phase.
2. Compared to other longtime couples like idk Felix & Marzia, Fleur & Mike (and Fleur is kinda of a shrew lol), who else Emma & Brad, the Michalaks, gamers Lizzy & Noel ( I don't know who you ppl follow) there IS a difference. Hell they are less into each other than the SJs! Once again they are young and filthy rich and we never saw a hint of the young love stage.
It's in the vlogs, the way they interact, their SM, the sum of everything.
I agree that he loves her as in cares for her. They are both very narcissistic and spoiled since birth (not a coincidence that they both became individual YTers unlike most other couples^).
She is clingy and needy af and he is too daft and in-his-own-world to even function. He never had to "have game" and she is his first and only real GF. I bet he doesn't even know what it's like to be obsessed with someone (not their subs and views) in the beginning of a relationship, he just doesn't know better. Not like Fleur who went to uni and only saw Mike on weekends? Like Pewds and Marzia who had to save for months to buy plane tickets and lived off shitty jobs in the other person's country? Yeah riiiight.
Imagine the good it'd do her and their couple if she had a normal life, got out, interacted with real peole, with other men, who'd find her attractive maybe even show an interest in her, if he saw he could lose her and be grateful that he scored such a catch. Instead he takes her completely for granted and she holds on to every little bone he throws her.
It all boils down to how they met and why they got together. Would he have even pursued her if she wasn't Zoella? If so would they have been more than a fling...
I don't think they will ever break up though. I don't think she's that ready for kids and he's almost as boring as her. In theory she wants a lot of things but in reality they are more on the same page than we think.
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Yeah if we're just talking about YouTubers, there are lots of long term relationships on YT where they're obviously looong out of the honeymoon/list phase but still in love and still a real partnership. Even couples that are annoying as hell, you can tell why they are together.
It never feels that way with Alfie and Zoe. They seem like friends in a "roommates that get along really well" kind of way. They don't have that specific bond and closeness of two adults who are deeply in love with each other. They don't even seem to share a common vision, goals, passions.
Now, that said I think that Zoe is still really into Alfie and she is still in on their relationship... he's another story. But it's also hard to tell because they're both so clearly stunted at the ages they became famous and don't grow at all... so it's like they can't grow in their relationship either.
It never feels that way with Alfie and Zoe. They seem like friends in a "roommates that get along really well" kind of way. They don't have that specific bond and closeness of two adults who are deeply in love with each other. They don't even seem to share a common vision, goals, passions.
Now, that said I think that Zoe is still really into Alfie and she is still in on their relationship... he's another story. But it's also hard to tell because they're both so clearly stunted at the ages they became famous and don't grow at all... so it's like they can't grow in their relationship either.