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i think Diane Sawyer was more shocked he came out as a ............Republican :lol: on a serious note, let's hope he puts his words into action and follows through with changing the future regarding these issues and campaigns for transgender awareness and equal rights :love2: no one should have to life their whole life in emotional pain or fear or being ostracized, whatever their secret circumstance. I think part of the reason he waited so long was 'generational'. He didn't live in a more open society as we do now, where topics are discussed.

I laughed out loud when she asked him if he was Republican!
That is obviously still the last taboo in the States, isn't it? :? Like in the UK if you are a Tory :rofl: except ours don't carry a gun so you can mock them without fearing for your life ;)

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If you all want some more insight into male to female transgender people who transition later in life, I highly recommend watching the TV show Transparent - it was made for Amazon but you can watch it online.

It's fictional but it's really really good. I'm an extremely open minded person to begin with and I find it easy to see things from others perspectives but if you struggle to understand transgender perspectives then it's quite a good thing to watch. It's also really entertaining too and some of the characters are absolute gems! :D

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Does anybody know what's wrong with his eye? One of them doesn't close all the way or something. Is that how he's always been or is it a side effect to some of the procedures he's had done on his face?

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Drama wrote:I'm glad he finally came out to the public with his true gender identity but I can't be truly happy for him for a few reasons. Firstly, he killed a woman in a car accident. It's my belief that a person should be in control of his or her car at all times- there's is no excuse to rear end someone. He wasn't paying attention for whatever reason and he sent that poor woman into oncoming traffic and to an early demise. I understand accidents happen but his decision to lay low after what transpired and then give an incomplete statement seemed cold to me. He never apologized but instead sent his deepest sympathies. There is a huge difference between the two. During his interview with Dianne, Bruce said that he's being advised by his lawyers to not speak on the situation because he's still involved in litigation and his simple statement of, "I'm devastated," really rubbed me the wrong way. I understand that if he were to apologize then that would be admitting guilt, which is probably against advice from his lawyers, however it was his fault. An admission of guilt would be the right thing to do and I feel the victim's family would appreciate it but I doubt that's going to happen at this point.

Secondly, Bruce said he's not doing this for publicity yet the moment the interview was over, E! News tweeted that he's planning on doing a docu-series and it'll be released in July. I just can't with this family.

In any event, the interview was educational for me about transgender people, and the distinction between sexual desire and sexual identity. I think it's great that he's out and proud and creating more awareness about the transgender community, but just call it what it is, Bruce: another opportunity to rake in the cash.
his car accident has nothing to do with his transitioning...not sure why you would say you can't be happy for his transition because of something that has nothing to do with it? i think his docu-series will be very educational. in his interview he made it clear he wanted to be an advocate and educate people on being transgender. i'm glad he's doing documenting his transition, i hope it will be very educational for viewers. no one of his status has come out as transgender, thousands and thousands of people will be watching him during/after his transition, mostly out of curiosity, but hopefully they will all learn something along the way. who cares if he gets paid for it....everyone involved in those kinds of doumentaries and docu-series are paid whether they bruce jenner or not.
Bruce's car accident and what I interpreted as his lack of taking responsibility for ending a person's life has everything to with my perception of him, and this includes his transitioning . I simply don't see him in a good light because of how he's conducted himself thus far, so I'm not that happy for him. I agree that his docu-series will be educational but my point was that he's using his transition for personal gain, whether it be money or fame. I feel he was previously a shadow on KUWTD. He had achieved a relatively significant amount of fame from his Olympian days, and it was previously waning more and more each day. I hadn't even heard of him until I watched KUWTD.

Bruce said himself that he doesn't want to be an advocate for the trans community. He laughed at the audacity of people thinking he's only transitioning for a show or publicity, but then he revealed that he'll be documenting his transition on a brand new show. It doesn't matter what his intention was with deciding to do the show. Saying that you're not going to do a certain thing for publicity, and then turning around and accepting a tv show to document that same thing is hypocritical. He could've just documented his transition for himself without sharing it with the rest of the world.

I'm interested in what he's doing, so I'll check his show out for sure. I was just pointing out the hypocrisy in all of it and how I feel he's using this moment for exposure/ financial reasons.
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Fruitbatz2 wrote:If you don't have honesty in a marriage, you have nothing. Lying about your gender identity is a huge deal breaker and I genuinely feel bad for the women he lied to. Just because he is being applauded for coming out doesn't mean he didn't hurt people he loved by not telling them his gender identity. I would feel very hurt if I was a wife of his. It's like if you married a man and he left for work every morning to work at an office but then years later you find out he is a drug dealer. He is a liar no matter what way you slice it, and for that reason I'm not incredibly jazzed about it
He may have lied to wives but they each knew how he really was. He said each of them separately walked in on him in women's clothing. They knew the deal but they wanted to be secretive about it for their own reasons. Unconditional love does involve accepting someone for who they are and all their flaws, and it's safe to say his wives probably felt that as they obviously decided to look past his actions. I'd also feel very hurt if I were in their position, especially after having kids with him. Still though, his first two wives wished him all the best. Kris Jenner did too, but only after the bloggers put her on blast for not making a statement for Bruce's interview.
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Oh and for the record my thoughts on this are simple. I find it so sad for anybody to have to live in a body where they feel they don't belong. And to have to beat down who you really are. It must be such torment - I can't imagine.

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I kind of have to agree with Fruitbatz2 . I understand that it must've been unimaginably hard for him pretending to be someone that he isn't, but I just find it wrong morally and a little selfish, that he continued to marry these women and have children with them knowing he had the major issues that he was trying to deal with.

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The thing that sparked my interest about the interview was that his two ex wives before Kris gave Bruce overwhelming support when Kris had no comment. I always hated her and always will.

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itsawierdworld wrote:I'll shut up about this movie now I swear, but so. damn. pretty! Some MTF and just men are drop dead gorgeous.
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Am I wrong in thinking Cillian here looks exactly like Leighannsays?!?!!! Seriously...
I can't imagine being in that kind of mental prison...I mean I'm not comfortable in my own body, and I LOVE being s woman! Lol! I bet Bruce felt with his Olympian status, sponsorships etc, that he'd be letting people down. I cannot fathom waiting 65 years to finally feel like you can be yourself. And I wouldn't be surprised if a Kris feels like she's a dude...that may be how they worked! Image

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Also...who's to say he didn't love these women...?!?!!!! He feels he's a woman, but is attracted to women...so he wasn't entirely off base there. I'm guessing he lied to himself for years and years as well. As for the show/money situation...what else is he going to do? He can't race again for money... Just like the Kardashisns whore themselves into every market possible bc they'll eventually not be on topic...they have to make as much money now as they can bc none of them (as far as I can tell) has any talent or skills...
This is what I fear for YouTube gurus/families and such...what happens when the next big thing comes along and they're all 'cut?'

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jnkgossip wrote:The thing that sparked my interest about the interview was that his two ex wives before Kris gave Bruce overwhelming support when Kris had no comment. I always hated her and always will.
Wouldn't you be upset if you married someone and had children with them and found out one day that they want to change genders and had always wanted to but they never told you? That's called lying. His other wife found out and divorced him supposedly. I think it was unintentionally cruel of him to not tell his wives his true identity.

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sorrynotsorry01 wrote:
itsawierdworld wrote:I'll shut up about this movie now I swear, but so. damn. pretty! Some MTF and just men are drop dead gorgeous.
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Am I wrong in thinking Cillian here looks exactly like Leighannsays?!?!!! Seriously...
That is IMMEDIATELY what I thought of!! I didn't want to say anything on here, because it's like saying she looks like a dude. Really though, he just makes a pretty woman. DEAD RINGER though!!
I hope someone sees this and does a side by side comparison!
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jnkgossip wrote:The thing that sparked my interest about the interview was that his two ex wives before Kris gave Bruce overwhelming support when Kris had no comment. I always hated her and always will.
Wouldn't you be upset if you married someone and had children with them and found out one day that they want to change genders and had always wanted to but they never told you? That's called lying. His other wife found out and divorced him supposedly. I think it was unintentionally cruel of him to not tell his wives his true identity.
i know you're an ignorant troll so i dont know why im replying but he said that he told his wives he was into cross dressing and had these "weird" feelings, each of them knew on some level he was struggling with his gender identity and they either ignored it or like he joked in the special thought they could fix it, nobody is saying he didn't lie but its hard to tell your partner what your'e feeling when you dont even know whats going on and when you're struggling back then even if he wanted to come out and transition it would have been BAD, it was not an open and accepting society back then and once he was on the show it wasn't like he could just come out with it and talk about it. this was a long journey for him, the fact that you want to focus on the small technicality of him "lying" says a lot about your character. his family and friends have moved on from his dishonesty, i think you can do considering you dont know him.

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Scottiemom87 wrote:I just want to know if kris knew about it. It's so odd that someone would want to be a woman but still want to be WITH a woman.


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If she did know, she doesn't seem like the type to give up the fame if he was willing to hide it. I wonder if he'll say that she convinced him to keep it secret?

Kris is an attention whore. Far worse than any of her children. Before Kim's wedding (I think it was hers) she was more concerned about how she would look and had plastic surgery done. I think she would be fine with it hidden or with it coming out as long as it's about her some how, too.


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TA...plus I can't see her for getting for a moment ,the money and yet more attention it would bring.Out of them all ,I dislike Kris the most ,and especially as she's a mother and supposed to protect her brood.Sad to say this ,but it'd be a win win situation for that woman
I do really feel for Bruce and his kids.Nobody can possibly grasp the torment they have to be going through right now.

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Kris and Bruce just separated last year. I think she needs to be cut a little bit of a break here. His other exes have been out of relationships with him for decades. Think what you want of Kris, this can't be easy for her or any of them.
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His ex-wives are not angry with him for being dishonest with them before the marriage, so anyone else's anger towards this subject makes no sense.
As for having 6 kids, I think that that is the very nature of many women; to marry and have as many kids as possible, to be the nurturer. When I brought up this argument 'Why did he have so many kids then ?' My mind automatically thought, 'Isn't that what most women want?

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jnkgossip wrote:The thing that sparked my interest about the interview was that his two ex wives before Kris gave Bruce overwhelming support when Kris had no comment. I always hated her and always will.
Wouldn't you be upset if you married someone and had children with them and found out one day that they want to change genders and had always wanted to but they never told you? That's called lying. His other wife found out and divorced him supposedly. I think it was unintentionally cruel of him to not tell his wives his true identity.
Kris tweeted while watching it to Perez Hilton who said something about her having no comment that she wasn't asked to comment and that she was watching it with Bruce.

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It has come out now Kris was lying. Shame on her. I understand she might be embarrassed and sad. I bet it is hard. But she has known the truth for a while. Put your fake smile on and pretend nice. :? This familys priorities are so messed up.
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shyLittleRj wrote:If you all want some more insight into male to female transgender people who transition later in life, I highly recommend watching the TV show Transparent - it was made for Amazon but you can watch it online.

It's fictional but it's really really good. I'm an extremely open minded person to begin with and I find it easy to see things from others perspectives but if you struggle to understand transgender perspectives then it's quite a good thing to watch. It's also really entertaining too and some of the characters are absolute gems! :D
Why would a fictious show about an older transgender man give us insight? No offense, but that's like if you watch porn for real life sex tips (don't, lol). Transparent isn't a reality show, so..?

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tired_of_bs wrote: His ex-wives are not angry with him for being dishonest with them before the marriage, so anyone else's anger towards this subject makes no sense.
As for having 6 kids, I think that that is the very nature of many women; to marry and have as many kids as possible, to be the nurturer. When I brought up this argument 'Why did he have so many kids then ?' My mind automatically thought, 'Isn't that what most women want?
Kris Jenner said she thought he was joking when he talked about wearing women's clothes.

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