Just a slight correction to the above; Chris is PJ' friend and PJ was the one that introduced both Phil & Dan to Chris. I will try to find the vyou which I can't recall whether it was PJ or Chris that state this info; meanwhile this is what I can find about PJ & Phil (they met first before Dan knew Phil).
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Hey! I just joined to learn about everything Dan and Phil related. Is there a specific person that "runs" this thread? Also, what topics are "off limits"?
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There is no specific person that runs; any posters can contribute as long as it is based on facts found not hearsay or rumours as this is a faq sectionphanl0ver wrote:Hey! I just joined to learn about everything Dan and Phil related. Is there a specific person that "runs" this thread? Also, what topics are "off limits"?
I would not say there are anything off limits as long as the poster abide to the board rules http://www.gurugossiper.com/rules.php
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What happened between Dan & Phil and crabstickz? NEW ADDITION
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Fits right in with Chris' Youtube crisis and all his shade against "fangirls". Guess he was unhappy with the kind of audience he attracted and how a sizable amount of them were really Dan and Phil's fans, and I can see why he would want to kill off the Fantastic Foursome and distance himself from D&P professionally. Perhaps he took it too far and managed to distance himself from them completely in the process. That's just speculation by the way, my best guess, hah.J: What happened to crabstickz? Crabstickz is fine.
C: He's doing his thing.
J: Crabstickz is fine, I saw him last night. He's a good guy, he's a really nice guy. He's fine, he just doesn't like Youtube anymore really. Because... he's found it's not made him happy, and he... he's got a lot of Dan and Phil's, ehm, subscribers... subscribed to him.
C: Ugh!
J: Just cuz they think he's a cute boy with a fringe.
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This photo
is a joke.
The girl is Bryony, long term friend of Dan and Phil and in a relationship with Wirrow. Here's another photo from the same event, note the dress:
Frankenweenie premiere 10th October 2012, Phil talks about it in his video One Direction Animal Impressions! (1:48 & 2:08)
Also:
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is a joke.
The girl is Bryony, long term friend of Dan and Phil and in a relationship with Wirrow. Here's another photo from the same event, note the dress:
Frankenweenie premiere 10th October 2012, Phil talks about it in his video One Direction Animal Impressions! (1:48 & 2:08)
Also:
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The mutual friend lie
What is it?
An infamous lie Dan and Phil told in 2012 about how they met.
Summary
In 2009-2011 Dan and Phil said they met each other on Twitter because Dan was a fan, and they befriended each other because they had mutual interests. However in 2012 they for some reason changed the story, saying they met through "a mutual friend". The lie started with Phil and they both kept adding to it over a period of six months, making it less and less believable, until they suddenly stopped mentioning it again. In July 2015 Dan finally broke silence, going back to the original explanation "we met on Twitter and befriended each other."
2011 - Original story
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(It starts off being pretty believable.)
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(Breakdown of what's wrong with this quote under the cut, courtesy of the Phan Directory.)
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What is it?
An infamous lie Dan and Phil told in 2012 about how they met.
Summary
In 2009-2011 Dan and Phil said they met each other on Twitter because Dan was a fan, and they befriended each other because they had mutual interests. However in 2012 they for some reason changed the story, saying they met through "a mutual friend". The lie started with Phil and they both kept adding to it over a period of six months, making it less and less believable, until they suddenly stopped mentioning it again. In July 2015 Dan finally broke silence, going back to the original explanation "we met on Twitter and befriended each other."
2011 - Original story
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2012 - Spiral of liesPretty much I just met him as AmazingPhil. Which inspires all of you out there to just stalk your Youtube subscriptions until they become your best friend, but yeah, pretty much.
Like I just used to @reply him on Twitter like "You saw that film? hey dude I liked that film!" "You got Muse's new album? hey I like Muse's new album!" And then he was like "We seem to have things in common, why not chat on Skype?" and then a couple of months later it was like "Hey dude wanna hang out in town sometime?" and... it sort of went on from there.
(It starts off being pretty believable.)
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[youtube][/youtube]How did I meet Dan? We were talking on Twitter and then we had a friend that lived in Manchester we both knew... ehm, which was weird. But then yeah, we met up and we went to some Youtube gatherings and stuff, and we became best friends, aw.
[youtube][/youtube]Dan: How did you guys meet? On the Internet.
Phil: ...And then we had a friend, in Manchester. It was a coincidence -
Dan: Coincy-dink.
Phil: - of the highest caliber!
[youtube][/youtube]How did you meet Phil? Through a mutual friend...
^ In which Dan digs his own grave, because none of that made sense.How did you meet Phil? We had a mutual friend in Manchester and I recognised him off the internet. A lot of people seem to think uhhh, I, used to be a fangirl of Phil, that was only a joke I made for a video, um. I didn’t use to really watch that many British youtubers, when I was like, when I was 14, and I was just watching youtubers for ages. I used to just watch American youtubers really, and gaming videos, I was one of those guys, watching American girls and gaming videos. But I did know who Phil was, so then when I saw him in Manchester I was like "you’re off the internet!"
(Breakdown of what's wrong with this quote under the cut, courtesy of the Phan Directory.)
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2015 - Back to basics"How did you guys meet? I went to Manchester... to uni. And I knew a guy that knew Phil. It's really boring [laughs], the most least interesting story ever. /.../ I thought you met Phil through stalking him? No that was a joke, on my... How to make internet friends video whatever it was called.
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Q: How did that come about, how did you guys start working together?
Dan: He was a youtuber like ages ago, like seven years ago, and I was just like a crazy youtube fan, like these guys [turns to the audience] I was a massive stalker just like you. I watched people like charlieissocoollike and Shane Dawson and people like that. So I wanted to become a youtuber and then I had a gap year so I was like "Hey while I'm not doing anything before I go to college why not waste my time making Youtube videos!" Um, and then Phil, I basically harrassed him on Twitter to tell me how to make videos, yeah. Because back then no one had any followers so I was like "Heh, I like Muse, and you like Muse, let's be friends!" And then a career happened. So stalk someone you really like and eventually you'll get through, that's... that's basically... That's a fact. I'm Phil Trash #1 and that's, that's my origin story.
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What did Dan do in 2012 that was so bad?
Mainly in 2012 Dan had a period of heavy phan denial, during which he was also very defensive about his sexuality. He stepped on a lot of toes in the process. Most infamous is his "customer service blog" where he answered viewer questions, often bluntly and many times resorting to ridiculing people for believing phan was real. Many who followed Dan (and Phil) at the time took offence at his tone, and to this day the year 2012 has a lingering bad reputation within the fandom.
Opinions are divided, here are some common ones:
1. Dan was rude and never acknowledged it or apologised for it, for all I know he's still an ass.
2. Dan was rude but it's understandable, he had his reasons, and he's not like that anymore so that's fine.
3. Dan wasn't rude or was completely justified in being rude - other people were being rude to him!
4. [special snowflake option]
Customer service screenshots for reference:
Video compilation of Dan denying he's gay for reference:
Common theories as to why Dan behaved the way he did:
Mainly in 2012 Dan had a period of heavy phan denial, during which he was also very defensive about his sexuality. He stepped on a lot of toes in the process. Most infamous is his "customer service blog" where he answered viewer questions, often bluntly and many times resorting to ridiculing people for believing phan was real. Many who followed Dan (and Phil) at the time took offence at his tone, and to this day the year 2012 has a lingering bad reputation within the fandom.
Opinions are divided, here are some common ones:
1. Dan was rude and never acknowledged it or apologised for it, for all I know he's still an ass.
2. Dan was rude but it's understandable, he had his reasons, and he's not like that anymore so that's fine.
3. Dan wasn't rude or was completely justified in being rude - other people were being rude to him!
4. [special snowflake option]
Customer service screenshots for reference:
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Dan and Phil's joint gifts to friends and family part 2
Totoro plushie to baby Emily as she was born.
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Xbox game to Ben.
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(lol sorry I know it's not a frequently asked question, but oh well)
Totoro plushie to baby Emily as she was born.
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Xbox game to Ben.
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40:44
(lol sorry I know it's not a frequently asked question, but oh well)
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Not sure where I put this since I only skim through their stuff so I will put it here:
My 2 cents on this D & P relationship Debate:
Disclosure:I’m going to say that since I’ve only watched a few of their videos and am fairly new to them I consider myself more of a casual viewer then an actual fan. I’ve seen them on YT react, other ppl’s channels like cutiepie/connor/joe etc and I got tired of the comments squealing over them, since they seemed cute and obviously got along very well/had good chemistry but I couldn’t see what was so special about them, so I decided to find out…
Their “rabid” fanbase/queerbait:
I don’t think I’ve watched enough videos to get full in-depth about them but I find they have very good chemistry together (obv) and play off each other well. D seems more my type when I was younger and liked the pretty boy/slightly emo look (also his haircut also looks like a Korean style for some reason) but I find P more “lovable” and I like his quirkiness more, he’s more of that awkward type of cute in looks/personality. I also love the fact that he accidentally makes a lot of “sexual innuendos” and how Dan reacts to it, it’s cute.
They’re videos seem pretty random/cute when they’re together but I like it, not love it, which is actually surprising for me since the stuff I loved in the past falls into their category of rabid fans/cult following/queer bait, etc (examples: Sailor Moon, Xena, Supernatural, Buffy, etc.)
I do have to wonder if I would like them better if I hadn’t been jaded by the fact that for a while when I was questioning my own sexuality (because of the shows I liked, comments from ppl- although hey it was in hs, the fact that I was obsessed over boobs when I was younger- (although that was more because I didn’t have them and didn’t want fake ones from what I saw of those) but I’ve concluded prob not gay/bi tho) and wondered if I only liked certain things because they WERE queer bait.
Context: I watched a few shows like Xena/buffy/etc later and noticed they were cheesy/campy (which I didn’t mind at the time) and I can’t tell if it was because they didn’t age well/my tastes had changed as I got older/watching from a different perspective/etc. But the thing I remember when watching most of them, except for the obvious gay ones, I actually thought when I was younger that people could actually have really close friendships without any sexual tension involved. Maybe I was naïve but their fans seem like the younger type that might not even think about stuff like that, although I do know kids are growing savvier nowadays. I know the vocal minority is OL, but I’m assuming a majority of their younger fans wouldn’t even assume anything or don’t really watch for that but because they just enjoy them and how they interact so I don’t really know how important it is.
Their relationship and the fangirls:
I don’t know if they are gay/bi but from the evidence that I’ve skimmed through it seems they prob are in a relationship but they don’t want to out it which I think is a perfectly reasonable choice. I know they are public figures but I still believe they are entitled to do what is best for them and protect their privacy and I can completely understand that as I don’t know if some of their fans understand things such as boundaries. I know it’s only a select few probably that are overzealous but it does give ppl with crazy fangirls a bit of a reputation. I mean I love anime, certain cult shows, and would love to go to conventions but I don’t go to things like that as I don’t want to be lumped in with a certain type of person that I know a few people in my life would totally judge me for (the only way I would be able to go without anyone finding out is alone and that will just leave me open to attract all the weirdos). Guess some people give “fangirling” a bad name.
Their sexuality:
I hope they already knew their sexuality when they first started because everyone questioning it has got to make them wonder. I feel like there are ppl that would like them more if they were honest but they are also younger girls who would be turned off as well to find out their bi (I’m sure the younger ones might still believe they have a chance/want them for themselves, etc).
My experience with buy/guys: When I was younger to me Bi, really meant gay and that was an honest turn-off for me when I accidentally asked out a guy (just cuz he was cute) who I had the mutual friend type of deal with. As soon as my friends that knew him told me he was Bi, I not only completely changed my mind but dated one of his best friends later on. When he tried to get mad at me because I “liked him first” that I told him that he didn’t really count, which I admit was not cool of me, but I kind of got my comeuppance later (Still wouldn’t date a bi guy though).
TLDR: People can speculate but they are still people with their own emotions/feelings and the more they give the more people can do their worse (or best) in adding to that type of frenzy, which is probably not good in the long run for their emotional/mental health. I don’t think they will ever come out while they’re popular or really with the certain type of fans they have now (younger, type to cross lines, etc.)
Being together for so long without girlfriends (unless they’re hiding them/playboy type) they prob are together but won’t showcase their relationship any time soon.
My 2 cents on this D & P relationship Debate:
Disclosure:I’m going to say that since I’ve only watched a few of their videos and am fairly new to them I consider myself more of a casual viewer then an actual fan. I’ve seen them on YT react, other ppl’s channels like cutiepie/connor/joe etc and I got tired of the comments squealing over them, since they seemed cute and obviously got along very well/had good chemistry but I couldn’t see what was so special about them, so I decided to find out…
Their “rabid” fanbase/queerbait:
I don’t think I’ve watched enough videos to get full in-depth about them but I find they have very good chemistry together (obv) and play off each other well. D seems more my type when I was younger and liked the pretty boy/slightly emo look (also his haircut also looks like a Korean style for some reason) but I find P more “lovable” and I like his quirkiness more, he’s more of that awkward type of cute in looks/personality. I also love the fact that he accidentally makes a lot of “sexual innuendos” and how Dan reacts to it, it’s cute.
They’re videos seem pretty random/cute when they’re together but I like it, not love it, which is actually surprising for me since the stuff I loved in the past falls into their category of rabid fans/cult following/queer bait, etc (examples: Sailor Moon, Xena, Supernatural, Buffy, etc.)
I do have to wonder if I would like them better if I hadn’t been jaded by the fact that for a while when I was questioning my own sexuality (because of the shows I liked, comments from ppl- although hey it was in hs, the fact that I was obsessed over boobs when I was younger- (although that was more because I didn’t have them and didn’t want fake ones from what I saw of those) but I’ve concluded prob not gay/bi tho) and wondered if I only liked certain things because they WERE queer bait.
Context: I watched a few shows like Xena/buffy/etc later and noticed they were cheesy/campy (which I didn’t mind at the time) and I can’t tell if it was because they didn’t age well/my tastes had changed as I got older/watching from a different perspective/etc. But the thing I remember when watching most of them, except for the obvious gay ones, I actually thought when I was younger that people could actually have really close friendships without any sexual tension involved. Maybe I was naïve but their fans seem like the younger type that might not even think about stuff like that, although I do know kids are growing savvier nowadays. I know the vocal minority is OL, but I’m assuming a majority of their younger fans wouldn’t even assume anything or don’t really watch for that but because they just enjoy them and how they interact so I don’t really know how important it is.
Their relationship and the fangirls:
I don’t know if they are gay/bi but from the evidence that I’ve skimmed through it seems they prob are in a relationship but they don’t want to out it which I think is a perfectly reasonable choice. I know they are public figures but I still believe they are entitled to do what is best for them and protect their privacy and I can completely understand that as I don’t know if some of their fans understand things such as boundaries. I know it’s only a select few probably that are overzealous but it does give ppl with crazy fangirls a bit of a reputation. I mean I love anime, certain cult shows, and would love to go to conventions but I don’t go to things like that as I don’t want to be lumped in with a certain type of person that I know a few people in my life would totally judge me for (the only way I would be able to go without anyone finding out is alone and that will just leave me open to attract all the weirdos). Guess some people give “fangirling” a bad name.
Their sexuality:
I hope they already knew their sexuality when they first started because everyone questioning it has got to make them wonder. I feel like there are ppl that would like them more if they were honest but they are also younger girls who would be turned off as well to find out their bi (I’m sure the younger ones might still believe they have a chance/want them for themselves, etc).
My experience with buy/guys: When I was younger to me Bi, really meant gay and that was an honest turn-off for me when I accidentally asked out a guy (just cuz he was cute) who I had the mutual friend type of deal with. As soon as my friends that knew him told me he was Bi, I not only completely changed my mind but dated one of his best friends later on. When he tried to get mad at me because I “liked him first” that I told him that he didn’t really count, which I admit was not cool of me, but I kind of got my comeuppance later (Still wouldn’t date a bi guy though).
TLDR: People can speculate but they are still people with their own emotions/feelings and the more they give the more people can do their worse (or best) in adding to that type of frenzy, which is probably not good in the long run for their emotional/mental health. I don’t think they will ever come out while they’re popular or really with the certain type of fans they have now (younger, type to cross lines, etc.)
Being together for so long without girlfriends (unless they’re hiding them/playboy type) they prob are together but won’t showcase their relationship any time soon.
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Lmfao at my Photobucket account reaching its bandwidth limit. 
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New Drug Deal link:
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This picture
is a pretty decent edit, but an edit nonetheless.
These are the original pics:
^ Phil and lightscameraash
^ Dan and Hatti Rex.
is a pretty decent edit, but an edit nonetheless.
These are the original pics:
^ Phil and lightscameraash
^ Dan and Hatti Rex.
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DO DAN AND PHIL SHARE UNDERWEAR?
First up: The infamous Sonic the Hedgehog boxer shorts
The saga begins with a now-privated video from May 6, 2010 called “Swine Flu” (originally titled “Sea Panther”), which Phil filmed while on holiday in Florida. In this video, Phil shows off some Sonic boxers at 1:51, saying, “I got some really cool boxer shorts, which I wanted to show you. ‘Super Sonic.’ How cool are these? I would show you, but I think at this angle it would be a bit inappropriate.” Then he shows the Japanese writing on the boxers and asks, “What does that say, by the way, foreign people? Let me know. If you tell me, you could win a shell.”
In his next video (which is still available on his channel), “United States of Phil,” he returns to the subject of the underwear at 2:34: “My boxers said ‘Sonic the hedgehog,’ surprisingly, so thanks to everyone who told me that.”
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He inserts the clip of the underwear from the previous video, which is how people are still able to get screenshots of it and stuff, even though “Swine Flu” has been privated. This also explains why there is confusion over whether or not Phil privated the video where he shows the underwear — He actually showed it in two videos; one is now private while the other is still available on his channel.
The next time the Sonic underwear makes an appearance, it is in the video “How To Make British Pancakes” from March 8, 2011 — ten months after Phil first showed the underwear.
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This time, Dan is wearing the underwear:
Dan staunchly denies that he was sharing Phil’s underwear. His story is that he and Phil both own their own pair.
He repeats this claim three times:
1) In a (now-deleted) annotation:
I would just like to make clear xD
that I -am not- wearing Phil’s underwear! o_o lmao
we both own the same pair from Next
after arguing over who should get to have them
we both bought them.
NOW STOP BEING CREEPERS. =p
2) In a (now-deleted) response to a comment on the video:
Comment: “i’d just like to point out that not only is dan wearing phil’s t-shirt he is also wearing his boxers :3”
Dan: no actually paul griffiths sent us both that t-shirt and we both bought those boxers =p you creepers!
[The t-shirt he is referring to is the orange Babycakes t-shirt.]
And 3) In a vyou answer from July 6, 2011:
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Question: I've noticed you and Phil often wear the same clothes...explain yourself!
Dan’s response: No… pfft, “often” — what do you mean often? ...Okay, in that one video, I have the SAME pair of underwear as Phil; we both walked into Next and saw a pair of Sonic underwear and we had an argument over who should buy it, so… we both own the same pair of underwear. And for that one video, I borrowed his Babycakes t-shirt because everything I own is black and I wanted to not look boring ...“Often”? Really? [laughs] Creepers.
[The “one video” he is referring to is obviously the “British Pancakes” video. Note how his story about the t-shirt contradicts the one from his comment on the video]
In a vyou from January 31, 2012, he also sticks to the “two pairs of underwear” story, this time saying the Phil threw his pair away because it ended up being too small:
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Question: Have you and Phil ever got your sonic underwear mixed up?
Dan’s response: Heh, no, because Phil actually bought, like, a size too small, so, that kept the confusion from being a continued thing because he threw his away because they didn’t fit.
[It is worth noting that Phil had owned the underwear for at least ten months when Dan said “we both own the same pair of underwear” — present tense, implying that they are both still in possession of their own pair. And in this vyou answer, Dan doesn’t say they shrank, but that Phil “bought a size too small.” If Phil truly “bought a size too small,” wouldn’t he have noticed right away? Why would he have kept them for more than ten months before “throwing them away because they didn’t fit”?]
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QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS:
Q: Did Phil buy his pair of Sonic underwear while he was on holiday in Florida?
A: Not necessarily. Many people take the “Swine Flu” video as evidence that Phil bought his underwear in Florida, which would directly contradict Dan’s claim that “we both walked into Next and saw a pair of Sonic underwear and we had an argument over who should buy it…” HOWEVER, if you look at the quote above (“I got some really cool boxer shorts, which I wanted to show you”), you’ll notice that Phil never actually says that he got the underwear IN FLORIDA. He just says he got them. It could be that he got them in the UK in Next, like Dan said, and then brought them to Florida, and decided to include them in his video.
Q: Were the underwear actually available in Next stores?
A: It would seem so. This website about Sonic Gear includes a photo of the underwear and says, “This is a boxer/breif style underwear which can be found at NEXT stores in the UK area. It's done in Japanese style, with classic stock art, and Sonic's name written in Japanese beside it. The background is a loud mix of red and green, with the hot pink text and blue Sonic mixed in. The waistband (for whatever reason) says "Super Sonic" though actual Super Sonic is no where to be found. Loud though it may be, it is fantastic to see modern underwear in reasonable sizes with Sonic on it! A great item to collect.”
Dan’s repeated references to Next (in his vyou and in the annotation) seem like evidence that Next was truly involved somehow: Either Phil bought the underwear and Next and Dan knew that, or Phil bought the underwear somewhere else and he and Dan noticed that Next also sold them, or Dan is telling the truth and he and Phil both bought a pair at Next.
It seems odd that Phil would buy the underwear in Florida and Dan would magically know to say they bought them at Next.
Q: Is the pancake video the only time Dan has ever worn the boxers on camera?
A: No, they have appeared in on at least two other occasions:
1) In Phil’s video “I DRANK EGGNOG” from November 2, 2011. At 1:11:
2) In Dan’s video “Truth or Dare 3” from August 5, 2011. At 3:55ish, Dan isn’t actually wearing the underwear, but Sonic underwear can be seen on the bathroom counter when Dan does the mentos & coke thing under his shirt.
Behind them is a black pair of Calvin Klein underwear, idk if that's relevant.
Q: Has Phil ever worn the boxers on camera?
A: Not to my knowledge. (Note: if Dan is telling the truth, Phil’s own pair were discarded sometime between July 6, 2011 and January 31, 2012.)
Q: Is there any actual evidence that Dan is lying?
A: Yes and no. It is impossible to prove that Dan and Phil did not at one point both own an identical pair of Sonic underwear. However, Dan frequently linked his comments about the underwear with explanations for why he is also wearing Phil’s orange Babycakes shirt in the pancake video. His comments about the Babycakes shirt are contradictory and could be taken as hints that he’s making things up about the underwear as well. (He talks about the underwear and the shirt in the same sentence, and if he was lying about the shirts, then maybe he was lying about the underwear).
Q: Is this the only example of boxers that Dan and Phil have (possibly) shared?
A: NO.
Which brings us to the blue musical note boxers….
Neither Dan nor Phil has ever addressed this pair of boxers (except perhaps implicitly when Phil privated a video). This case is generally agreed on as an unambiguous, indisputable example of them sharing underwear, or at least of Dan wearing underwear that used to belong to Phil.
Phil showed these boxers on camera in a now-privated video called “I found a slinky.” It was published on February 1, 2009, eight months before he met Dan in real life (so no chance of them going into a store together and both buying a pair, and no chance of Dan leaving his own underwear at Phil’s house).
Q: The “I found a slinky” video is now privated. Did Phil private it because of the underwear?
A: Possibly, but it is worth mentioning that this video also contained a few references to Charlieskies and the “Pabloislove” channel, so would have arguably had reason to private it even apart from the underwear.
Screenshot of Phil showing the music note boxers:
Dan can be seen wearing these underwear in at least two later videos:
1) Dan’s video “Inappropriate Winking” from September 26, 2011(at 1:55):
2) Phil’s video “How to make Christmas cookies!” from Dec 22, 2011:
To sum it up:
Yes, they have shared at least one pair of underwear, the pair with music notes. They’ve probably shared two pairs (Dan denies that they ever shared the Sonic underwear, but although Dan’s denial cannot be disproven, there is reason to doubt it).
Coming up next, a post about them sharing clothes in general.....
First up: The infamous Sonic the Hedgehog boxer shorts
The saga begins with a now-privated video from May 6, 2010 called “Swine Flu” (originally titled “Sea Panther”), which Phil filmed while on holiday in Florida. In this video, Phil shows off some Sonic boxers at 1:51, saying, “I got some really cool boxer shorts, which I wanted to show you. ‘Super Sonic.’ How cool are these? I would show you, but I think at this angle it would be a bit inappropriate.” Then he shows the Japanese writing on the boxers and asks, “What does that say, by the way, foreign people? Let me know. If you tell me, you could win a shell.”
In his next video (which is still available on his channel), “United States of Phil,” he returns to the subject of the underwear at 2:34: “My boxers said ‘Sonic the hedgehog,’ surprisingly, so thanks to everyone who told me that.”
[youtube][/youtube]
He inserts the clip of the underwear from the previous video, which is how people are still able to get screenshots of it and stuff, even though “Swine Flu” has been privated. This also explains why there is confusion over whether or not Phil privated the video where he shows the underwear — He actually showed it in two videos; one is now private while the other is still available on his channel.
The next time the Sonic underwear makes an appearance, it is in the video “How To Make British Pancakes” from March 8, 2011 — ten months after Phil first showed the underwear.
[video][/video]
This time, Dan is wearing the underwear:
Dan staunchly denies that he was sharing Phil’s underwear. His story is that he and Phil both own their own pair.
He repeats this claim three times:
1) In a (now-deleted) annotation:
I would just like to make clear xD
that I -am not- wearing Phil’s underwear! o_o lmao
we both own the same pair from Next
after arguing over who should get to have them
we both bought them.
NOW STOP BEING CREEPERS. =p
2) In a (now-deleted) response to a comment on the video:
Comment: “i’d just like to point out that not only is dan wearing phil’s t-shirt he is also wearing his boxers :3”
Dan: no actually paul griffiths sent us both that t-shirt and we both bought those boxers =p you creepers!
[The t-shirt he is referring to is the orange Babycakes t-shirt.]
And 3) In a vyou answer from July 6, 2011:
[video][/video]
Question: I've noticed you and Phil often wear the same clothes...explain yourself!
Dan’s response: No… pfft, “often” — what do you mean often? ...Okay, in that one video, I have the SAME pair of underwear as Phil; we both walked into Next and saw a pair of Sonic underwear and we had an argument over who should buy it, so… we both own the same pair of underwear. And for that one video, I borrowed his Babycakes t-shirt because everything I own is black and I wanted to not look boring ...“Often”? Really? [laughs] Creepers.
[The “one video” he is referring to is obviously the “British Pancakes” video. Note how his story about the t-shirt contradicts the one from his comment on the video]
In a vyou from January 31, 2012, he also sticks to the “two pairs of underwear” story, this time saying the Phil threw his pair away because it ended up being too small:
[video][/video]
Question: Have you and Phil ever got your sonic underwear mixed up?
Dan’s response: Heh, no, because Phil actually bought, like, a size too small, so, that kept the confusion from being a continued thing because he threw his away because they didn’t fit.
[It is worth noting that Phil had owned the underwear for at least ten months when Dan said “we both own the same pair of underwear” — present tense, implying that they are both still in possession of their own pair. And in this vyou answer, Dan doesn’t say they shrank, but that Phil “bought a size too small.” If Phil truly “bought a size too small,” wouldn’t he have noticed right away? Why would he have kept them for more than ten months before “throwing them away because they didn’t fit”?]
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QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS:
Q: Did Phil buy his pair of Sonic underwear while he was on holiday in Florida?
A: Not necessarily. Many people take the “Swine Flu” video as evidence that Phil bought his underwear in Florida, which would directly contradict Dan’s claim that “we both walked into Next and saw a pair of Sonic underwear and we had an argument over who should buy it…” HOWEVER, if you look at the quote above (“I got some really cool boxer shorts, which I wanted to show you”), you’ll notice that Phil never actually says that he got the underwear IN FLORIDA. He just says he got them. It could be that he got them in the UK in Next, like Dan said, and then brought them to Florida, and decided to include them in his video.
Q: Were the underwear actually available in Next stores?
A: It would seem so. This website about Sonic Gear includes a photo of the underwear and says, “This is a boxer/breif style underwear which can be found at NEXT stores in the UK area. It's done in Japanese style, with classic stock art, and Sonic's name written in Japanese beside it. The background is a loud mix of red and green, with the hot pink text and blue Sonic mixed in. The waistband (for whatever reason) says "Super Sonic" though actual Super Sonic is no where to be found. Loud though it may be, it is fantastic to see modern underwear in reasonable sizes with Sonic on it! A great item to collect.”
Dan’s repeated references to Next (in his vyou and in the annotation) seem like evidence that Next was truly involved somehow: Either Phil bought the underwear and Next and Dan knew that, or Phil bought the underwear somewhere else and he and Dan noticed that Next also sold them, or Dan is telling the truth and he and Phil both bought a pair at Next.
It seems odd that Phil would buy the underwear in Florida and Dan would magically know to say they bought them at Next.
Q: Is the pancake video the only time Dan has ever worn the boxers on camera?
A: No, they have appeared in on at least two other occasions:
1) In Phil’s video “I DRANK EGGNOG” from November 2, 2011. At 1:11:
2) In Dan’s video “Truth or Dare 3” from August 5, 2011. At 3:55ish, Dan isn’t actually wearing the underwear, but Sonic underwear can be seen on the bathroom counter when Dan does the mentos & coke thing under his shirt.
Behind them is a black pair of Calvin Klein underwear, idk if that's relevant.
Q: Has Phil ever worn the boxers on camera?
A: Not to my knowledge. (Note: if Dan is telling the truth, Phil’s own pair were discarded sometime between July 6, 2011 and January 31, 2012.)
Q: Is there any actual evidence that Dan is lying?
A: Yes and no. It is impossible to prove that Dan and Phil did not at one point both own an identical pair of Sonic underwear. However, Dan frequently linked his comments about the underwear with explanations for why he is also wearing Phil’s orange Babycakes shirt in the pancake video. His comments about the Babycakes shirt are contradictory and could be taken as hints that he’s making things up about the underwear as well. (He talks about the underwear and the shirt in the same sentence, and if he was lying about the shirts, then maybe he was lying about the underwear).
Q: Is this the only example of boxers that Dan and Phil have (possibly) shared?
A: NO.
Which brings us to the blue musical note boxers….
Neither Dan nor Phil has ever addressed this pair of boxers (except perhaps implicitly when Phil privated a video). This case is generally agreed on as an unambiguous, indisputable example of them sharing underwear, or at least of Dan wearing underwear that used to belong to Phil.
Phil showed these boxers on camera in a now-privated video called “I found a slinky.” It was published on February 1, 2009, eight months before he met Dan in real life (so no chance of them going into a store together and both buying a pair, and no chance of Dan leaving his own underwear at Phil’s house).
Q: The “I found a slinky” video is now privated. Did Phil private it because of the underwear?
A: Possibly, but it is worth mentioning that this video also contained a few references to Charlieskies and the “Pabloislove” channel, so would have arguably had reason to private it even apart from the underwear.
Screenshot of Phil showing the music note boxers:
Dan can be seen wearing these underwear in at least two later videos:
1) Dan’s video “Inappropriate Winking” from September 26, 2011(at 1:55):
2) Phil’s video “How to make Christmas cookies!” from Dec 22, 2011:
To sum it up:
Yes, they have shared at least one pair of underwear, the pair with music notes. They’ve probably shared two pairs (Dan denies that they ever shared the Sonic underwear, but although Dan’s denial cannot be disproven, there is reason to doubt it).
Coming up next, a post about them sharing clothes in general.....
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Re: FAQs - Danisnotonfire & AmazingPhil
Do Dan and Phil share clothes?
This post is meant to serve as an exhaustive collection of pictures of them sharing clothes, plus a compilation of all the times Dan’s denied that it happens, or at least denied that he wears Phil’s clothes for any reason other than “dressing as a character”
DISCLAIMER: I am not trying to say “omG they shur clothis!1 PHAN” (to quote Dan cough cough).
I’m just trying to make an organized masterlist of this stuff, because I ALWAYS hear people talk about the clothes-sharing, but I never saw any real sources cited for when Dan had made his infamous denials. Since people talk about it so much, I thought it would be useful to have a comprehensive post about it in the FAQ section, along with an examination what Dan’s said and why it is or is not true.
So…
Q: Do Dan and Phil share clothes, i.e. has Dan worn Phil's clothes and vice-versa?
A: Yes. See the numerous photos further down in this post!
Q: Has Dan denied that he and Phil share clothes?
A: Yes. Many times:
[video][/video]
Question: I've noticed you and Phil often wear the same clothes...explain yourself!
Dan: No… pfft, “often” — what do you mean often? ...Okay, in that one video, I have the SAME pair of underwear as Phil; we both walked into Next and saw a pair of Sonic underwear and we had an argument over who should buy it, so… we both own the same pair of underwear. And for that one video, I borrowed his Babycakes t-shirt because everything I own is black and I wanted to not look boring ...“Often”? Really? [laughs] Creepers.
Liveshow from August 28, 2012:
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20:05 - “I read something on, erm, Tumblr earlier… I’m thinking, uh, a segment I should start with these things is like ‘Stupid Thing Dan Saw on Tumblr of the Week.’ I’m only joking. I love everybody. […] But— I’ve had lots of people talking about, erm, me and Phil ‘sharing clothes’? Just because, you know, regardless of situation, we’ve seen — we’ve, you know, we’ve worn the same print of t-shirt on about four occasions over the last three years doesn’t mean we ~share clothes.~ You know, like, sisters do, or something like that. You know what I mean? It’s like…we own several items of the same clothing, ‘cause we’ve either been given them by somebody like Babycakes, or stuff like that. Err, me and Phil don’t like each other’s clothes. So don’t worry about that.”
Liveshow from October 8, 2013 (this one is specifically regarding his Cringe Attack video):
[video][/video]
28:38 - “That’s Phil’s sweater” — “No. Pretty sure it’s my sweater. I love — no I don’t love; it made me incredibly depressed — that in my last video, (laughs) all these people were like, ‘Aren’t you wearing Phil’s t-shirts?’ And I was like, ‘Erm, well, yeah, I’m playing three children playing Pokémon cards at a Pokémon party, and three Pokémon t-shirts are owned by Phil, so yeah, I— I wore Pokémon t-shirts that were owned by Phil in my video, because I was playing children at a Pokémon party! (laughs) And, like, obviously most people got that and weren’t just like ‘Ooh! Feels!’ at it, but there were a few people that genuinely didn’t— were questioning why I was wearing three of Phil’s t-shirts. So in case you were one of those people that, erm, were genuinely actually wondering why, that’s why: ‘cause of a Pokémon party.”
Ask: Why do you say you and Phil don’t share clothes, even with about 7 or 8 photos that prove otherwise?
Dan: When you say you ‘share clothes’ with somebody it implies that often you casually wear the other persons clothes instead of your own whenever you like for whatever purpose. Apart form the 2/3 identical items of clothing me and Phil wear and the jogging bottoms I gave him, there is pretty much always a strange/very specific reason. I might be in a ‘costume’ for a video, I might be wearing something because neither of us mind getting ruined, or blahblahblah. Yes, on occasion we will borrow another persons item of clothing because we need to for a specific reason, but we don’t ‘share clothes’ in the way that some of you probablywant us to are implying. Either way I don’t see how this is either that important or interesting. xD
Ask: can we just establish that you do, in fact, wear phil’s clothes?!!!! xD
Dan: well not really in the way you’re implying. i don’t ‘wear his clothes’ unless there’s a specific reason for it. we either own the same item of clothing or if it’s for a video then i’m usually dressing as a ‘character’ or wearing something that i don’t want to get wet or something ~ feel free to post this answer in the tag as my head is hurting from banging against the desk every time i see someone go ‘omG they shur clothis!1 PHAN’ xD
I would just like to make clear xD
that I -am not- wearing Phil’s underwear! o_o lmao
we both own the same pair from Next
after arguing over who should get to have them
we both bought them.
NOW STOP BEING CREEPERS. =p
Comment: “i’d just like to point out that not only is dan wearing phil’s t-shirt he is also wearing his boxers :3”
Dan: no actually paul griffiths sent us both that t-shirt and we both bought those boxers =p you creepers!
[Note Dan’s comment that “paul griffiths sent us both that t-shirt and we both bought those boxers.” The Paul Griffiths part important in light of other statements he’s made.]
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Q: Is what Dan’s saying true?
A: Not really. Sort of, but it’s very misleading.
First of all, he IS CORRECT that many times when he has worn something that belonged to Phil, it was merely to play a character in a video.
Here are a lot of examples of that kind of clothes-sharing:
(click to enlarge)
There is absolutely nothing to suggest that he would have worn those items of clothing if he weren’t performing a sketch, so imo these don’t really “count” as examples of them “sharing clothes.”
He has also worn Phil’s clothes in several videos where he wasn’t playing a character per se, but maybe something about the video called for a certain type of clothing. For example…
He wanted to look young/like a highschooler?:
They both wanted to wear Halloween clothes but not the same ones as the previous year:
Dan needed a good Christmas jumper:
He and Phil presumably wanted to match:
(Though Phil implies it was a coincidence in this tweet, which would actually be a suggestion that they do casually share clothes lol):
[tweet][/tweet]
And some instances are even less justifiable, but could still possibly be examples of Dan sharing Phil’s clothes for a specific reason (and one instance of Phil sharing Dan’s!!):
(NOTE: according to Dan, “we own several items of the same clothing, ‘cause we’ve either been given them by somebody like Babycakes, or stuff like that” — which could be interpreted to mean he is claiming that he has his own version of this shirt. Though he has NEVER worn it in any other video. Same goes for the purple Babycakes shirt seen below.)
(A rare instance of Phil in Dan’s clothing! Another example would be the burgundy A&F sweatpants)
Note that Dan also wore this shirt in his Truth or Dare 3 video, likely it is an example of something where “because neither of us mind getting it ruined”:
That being said, there are many, many instances where we have photographic proof that Dan DOES wear Phil’s clothes in a casual way, even when it doesn’t matter what he’s wearing and he’s just lounging around the house or on vacation:
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SOURCES FOR ALL PHOTOS/VIDEOS OF BORROWED CLOTHES UNDER THIS SPOILER
To be fair, a lot of these are from times when Dan was visiting Phil’s house (so he probably had a significantly limited wardrobe with him at the time), or when they were on vacation together (again, limited wardrobe).
Also, Dan refers to “the jogging bottoms I gave him” — presumably the burgundy A&F ones. So according to Dan those don’t count.
But many of these examples have no apparent explanation, except for the explanation that they do indeed “share clothes, you know, like, sisters do, or something like that.”
For example, in the one where he’s wearing Phil’s green sweatshirt, he is not living with Phil and he’s not staying at Phil’s house. He is at Uni, which means that he had to intentionally borrow it from Phil. Also, it’s noteworthy that this seems to be Phil’s go-to hoodie for when he’s ill. He wears it in “Man Flu” and in a liveshow where he’s sick (the Toxic liveshow lol). Aww.
You’ll notice I picked an example of him wearing the orange Babycakes t-shirt from somewhere other than the pancakes video.
Which brings us to…
Everything you could ever want to know about the Babycakes t-shirts.
Dan and Phil own, between them, five Babycakes t-shirts (Dan would have you believe there are duplicates involved; this is dubious):
The orange one gets the most attention. Let’s examine Dan’s mutually-exclusive claims about this t-shirt (complete quotes cited above):
Well, Phil mentions in his video “Worst Birthday EVER!!” (February 15, 2010) that he was given five Babycakes t-shirts for his birthday:
[video][/video]
2:29 - “Also I want to say a quick thanks to Paul Griffiths (who lives down the road!) who sent me five Babycakes t-shirts!”
He then shows brief clips of himself in four of the t-shirts.
And Dan commented on the video:
“I apologise to you all for stealing the 5th bbycks t-shirt that he couldn’t show you xD”
We do indeed have two examples of Dan wearing the elusive 5th Babycakes t-shirt in videos:
Source: Now-privated video called “LET’S HAVE A QUICKIE” from April 30, 2010
(Source video)
It’s this shirt:
Dan’s early comments (“I apologise to you all for stealing the 5th bbycks t-shirt that he couldn’t show you xD” and “for that one video, I borrowed his Babycakes t-shirt because everything I own is black and I wanted to not look boring”) both suggest that Paul Griffiths gave Phil five t-shirts and Dan “stole” one of them. Which would mean Dan was lying when he later claimed, twice, that they were BOTH gifted he orange shirt (and possibly other babycakes shirts as well). If he’s not lying later, then he was lying when he said he “borrowed Phil’s Babycakes t-shirt,” but why would he have lied about that?
So, in conclusion:
Yes, Dan and Phil share clothes. That much is certain.
What is up for debate are Dan’s motivations. Sometimes, Dan only borrows Phil’s clothes for videos. Other times, he seemingly borrows them just for fun / convenience / sentimental reasons. Dan has vastly downplayed the frequency with which he borrows Phil’s clothes and made it sound like he does it only when forced to by logistical factors or the need to give different characters costumes in his sketch videos. This is clearly not true. He’s also blatantly lied — regardless of which tale is the truth, it is undeniable that he has said contradictory things.
It’s not a big deal that Dan and Phil share clothes (except maybe the underwear…), but Dan made it a big deal by denying it.
Also note: The last instance I can find of a blatant clothes-sharing denial is October 2013. That was more than two years ago. He has borrowed Phil’s clothes several times since then, in very overt ways. So possibly he’s left this phase behind him.
Maybe even in 2013 he was starting leaving it behind, as he kind of alludes lightheartedly (?) to borrowing Phil’s glasses in this tweet from October 2, 2013 (also about the “Cringe Attack” video:
BONUS:
I often see these cited as examples of Dan and Phil sharing clothes. They are not in fact the same items of clothing, if you look closely!
BONUS BONUS:
Dan’s Dailybooth post from when he dressed up as Phil...
[seemingly an indication that at least once, Dan and Phil played dress-up as each other, i.e. Phil dressed up as Dan and Dan dressed up as Phil.]
BONUS BONUS BONUS: just for the lulz
that's phil's shirt
This post is meant to serve as an exhaustive collection of pictures of them sharing clothes, plus a compilation of all the times Dan’s denied that it happens, or at least denied that he wears Phil’s clothes for any reason other than “dressing as a character”
DISCLAIMER: I am not trying to say “omG they shur clothis!1 PHAN” (to quote Dan cough cough).
I’m just trying to make an organized masterlist of this stuff, because I ALWAYS hear people talk about the clothes-sharing, but I never saw any real sources cited for when Dan had made his infamous denials. Since people talk about it so much, I thought it would be useful to have a comprehensive post about it in the FAQ section, along with an examination what Dan’s said and why it is or is not true.
So…
Q: Do Dan and Phil share clothes, i.e. has Dan worn Phil's clothes and vice-versa?
A: Yes. See the numerous photos further down in this post!
Q: Has Dan denied that he and Phil share clothes?
A: Yes. Many times:
- At least three times on vyou or in younow liveshows:
[video][/video]
Question: I've noticed you and Phil often wear the same clothes...explain yourself!
Dan: No… pfft, “often” — what do you mean often? ...Okay, in that one video, I have the SAME pair of underwear as Phil; we both walked into Next and saw a pair of Sonic underwear and we had an argument over who should buy it, so… we both own the same pair of underwear. And for that one video, I borrowed his Babycakes t-shirt because everything I own is black and I wanted to not look boring ...“Often”? Really? [laughs] Creepers.
Liveshow from August 28, 2012:
[video][/video]
20:05 - “I read something on, erm, Tumblr earlier… I’m thinking, uh, a segment I should start with these things is like ‘Stupid Thing Dan Saw on Tumblr of the Week.’ I’m only joking. I love everybody. […] But— I’ve had lots of people talking about, erm, me and Phil ‘sharing clothes’? Just because, you know, regardless of situation, we’ve seen — we’ve, you know, we’ve worn the same print of t-shirt on about four occasions over the last three years doesn’t mean we ~share clothes.~ You know, like, sisters do, or something like that. You know what I mean? It’s like…we own several items of the same clothing, ‘cause we’ve either been given them by somebody like Babycakes, or stuff like that. Err, me and Phil don’t like each other’s clothes. So don’t worry about that.”
Liveshow from October 8, 2013 (this one is specifically regarding his Cringe Attack video):
[video][/video]
28:38 - “That’s Phil’s sweater” — “No. Pretty sure it’s my sweater. I love — no I don’t love; it made me incredibly depressed — that in my last video, (laughs) all these people were like, ‘Aren’t you wearing Phil’s t-shirts?’ And I was like, ‘Erm, well, yeah, I’m playing three children playing Pokémon cards at a Pokémon party, and three Pokémon t-shirts are owned by Phil, so yeah, I— I wore Pokémon t-shirts that were owned by Phil in my video, because I was playing children at a Pokémon party! (laughs) And, like, obviously most people got that and weren’t just like ‘Ooh! Feels!’ at it, but there were a few people that genuinely didn’t— were questioning why I was wearing three of Phil’s t-shirts. So in case you were one of those people that, erm, were genuinely actually wondering why, that’s why: ‘cause of a Pokémon party.”
- Twice on the customer service tumblr blog:
Ask: Why do you say you and Phil don’t share clothes, even with about 7 or 8 photos that prove otherwise?
Dan: When you say you ‘share clothes’ with somebody it implies that often you casually wear the other persons clothes instead of your own whenever you like for whatever purpose. Apart form the 2/3 identical items of clothing me and Phil wear and the jogging bottoms I gave him, there is pretty much always a strange/very specific reason. I might be in a ‘costume’ for a video, I might be wearing something because neither of us mind getting ruined, or blahblahblah. Yes, on occasion we will borrow another persons item of clothing because we need to for a specific reason, but we don’t ‘share clothes’ in the way that some of you probably
Ask: can we just establish that you do, in fact, wear phil’s clothes?!!!! xD
Dan: well not really in the way you’re implying. i don’t ‘wear his clothes’ unless there’s a specific reason for it. we either own the same item of clothing or if it’s for a video then i’m usually dressing as a ‘character’ or wearing something that i don’t want to get wet or something ~ feel free to post this answer in the tag as my head is hurting from banging against the desk every time i see someone go ‘omG they shur clothis!1 PHAN’ xD
- And twice regarding the Sonic boxers specifically:
I would just like to make clear xD
that I -am not- wearing Phil’s underwear! o_o lmao
we both own the same pair from Next
after arguing over who should get to have them
we both bought them.
NOW STOP BEING CREEPERS. =p
Comment: “i’d just like to point out that not only is dan wearing phil’s t-shirt he is also wearing his boxers :3”
Dan: no actually paul griffiths sent us both that t-shirt and we both bought those boxers =p you creepers!
[Note Dan’s comment that “paul griffiths sent us both that t-shirt and we both bought those boxers.” The Paul Griffiths part important in light of other statements he’s made.]
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Q: Is what Dan’s saying true?
A: Not really. Sort of, but it’s very misleading.
First of all, he IS CORRECT that many times when he has worn something that belonged to Phil, it was merely to play a character in a video.
Here are a lot of examples of that kind of clothes-sharing:
(click to enlarge)
There is absolutely nothing to suggest that he would have worn those items of clothing if he weren’t performing a sketch, so imo these don’t really “count” as examples of them “sharing clothes.”
He has also worn Phil’s clothes in several videos where he wasn’t playing a character per se, but maybe something about the video called for a certain type of clothing. For example…
He wanted to look young/like a highschooler?:
They both wanted to wear Halloween clothes but not the same ones as the previous year:
Dan needed a good Christmas jumper:
He and Phil presumably wanted to match:
(Though Phil implies it was a coincidence in this tweet, which would actually be a suggestion that they do casually share clothes lol):
[tweet][/tweet]
And some instances are even less justifiable, but could still possibly be examples of Dan sharing Phil’s clothes for a specific reason (and one instance of Phil sharing Dan’s!!):
(NOTE: according to Dan, “we own several items of the same clothing, ‘cause we’ve either been given them by somebody like Babycakes, or stuff like that” — which could be interpreted to mean he is claiming that he has his own version of this shirt. Though he has NEVER worn it in any other video. Same goes for the purple Babycakes shirt seen below.)
(A rare instance of Phil in Dan’s clothing! Another example would be the burgundy A&F sweatpants)
Note that Dan also wore this shirt in his Truth or Dare 3 video, likely it is an example of something where “because neither of us mind getting it ruined”:
That being said, there are many, many instances where we have photographic proof that Dan DOES wear Phil’s clothes in a casual way, even when it doesn’t matter what he’s wearing and he’s just lounging around the house or on vacation:
(click to enlarge)
SOURCES FOR ALL PHOTOS/VIDEOS OF BORROWED CLOTHES UNDER THIS SPOILER
Also, Dan refers to “the jogging bottoms I gave him” — presumably the burgundy A&F ones. So according to Dan those don’t count.
But many of these examples have no apparent explanation, except for the explanation that they do indeed “share clothes, you know, like, sisters do, or something like that.”
For example, in the one where he’s wearing Phil’s green sweatshirt, he is not living with Phil and he’s not staying at Phil’s house. He is at Uni, which means that he had to intentionally borrow it from Phil. Also, it’s noteworthy that this seems to be Phil’s go-to hoodie for when he’s ill. He wears it in “Man Flu” and in a liveshow where he’s sick (the Toxic liveshow lol). Aww.
You’ll notice I picked an example of him wearing the orange Babycakes t-shirt from somewhere other than the pancakes video.
Which brings us to…
Everything you could ever want to know about the Babycakes t-shirts.
Dan and Phil own, between them, five Babycakes t-shirts (Dan would have you believe there are duplicates involved; this is dubious):
The orange one gets the most attention. Let’s examine Dan’s mutually-exclusive claims about this t-shirt (complete quotes cited above):
- 1) “And for that one video, I borrowed his Babycakes t-shirt because everything I own is black and I wanted to not look boring”
2) “no actually paul griffiths sent us both that t-shirt”
Well, Phil mentions in his video “Worst Birthday EVER!!” (February 15, 2010) that he was given five Babycakes t-shirts for his birthday:
[video][/video]
2:29 - “Also I want to say a quick thanks to Paul Griffiths (who lives down the road!) who sent me five Babycakes t-shirts!”
He then shows brief clips of himself in four of the t-shirts.
And Dan commented on the video:
“I apologise to you all for stealing the 5th bbycks t-shirt that he couldn’t show you xD”
We do indeed have two examples of Dan wearing the elusive 5th Babycakes t-shirt in videos:
Source: Now-privated video called “LET’S HAVE A QUICKIE” from April 30, 2010
(Source video)
It’s this shirt:
Dan’s early comments (“I apologise to you all for stealing the 5th bbycks t-shirt that he couldn’t show you xD” and “for that one video, I borrowed his Babycakes t-shirt because everything I own is black and I wanted to not look boring”) both suggest that Paul Griffiths gave Phil five t-shirts and Dan “stole” one of them. Which would mean Dan was lying when he later claimed, twice, that they were BOTH gifted he orange shirt (and possibly other babycakes shirts as well). If he’s not lying later, then he was lying when he said he “borrowed Phil’s Babycakes t-shirt,” but why would he have lied about that?
So, in conclusion:
Yes, Dan and Phil share clothes. That much is certain.
What is up for debate are Dan’s motivations. Sometimes, Dan only borrows Phil’s clothes for videos. Other times, he seemingly borrows them just for fun / convenience / sentimental reasons. Dan has vastly downplayed the frequency with which he borrows Phil’s clothes and made it sound like he does it only when forced to by logistical factors or the need to give different characters costumes in his sketch videos. This is clearly not true. He’s also blatantly lied — regardless of which tale is the truth, it is undeniable that he has said contradictory things.
It’s not a big deal that Dan and Phil share clothes (except maybe the underwear…), but Dan made it a big deal by denying it.
Also note: The last instance I can find of a blatant clothes-sharing denial is October 2013. That was more than two years ago. He has borrowed Phil’s clothes several times since then, in very overt ways. So possibly he’s left this phase behind him.
Maybe even in 2013 he was starting leaving it behind, as he kind of alludes lightheartedly (?) to borrowing Phil’s glasses in this tweet from October 2, 2013 (also about the “Cringe Attack” video:
BONUS:
I often see these cited as examples of Dan and Phil sharing clothes. They are not in fact the same items of clothing, if you look closely!
BONUS BONUS:
Dan’s Dailybooth post from when he dressed up as Phil...
[seemingly an indication that at least once, Dan and Phil played dress-up as each other, i.e. Phil dressed up as Dan and Dan dressed up as Phil.]
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Re: FAQs - Danisnotonfire & AmazingPhil
That last Phil t-shirt has been worn by Dan at least twice:
January 2012, when answering Vyous [screenshot]
June 2012, when Phil was answering Vyous [video link]
Aand a pic of Phil wearing the shirt for good measure.
January 2012, when answering Vyous [screenshot]
June 2012, when Phil was answering Vyous [video link]
Aand a pic of Phil wearing the shirt for good measure.
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Re: FAQs - Danisnotonfire & AmazingPhil
Wait, it says the Phil vyou is from January 24th, not June? He probably just wore it two days in a row or filmed his vyous the same night as Phil did.
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......It's a good thing I know how to double check dates, nevermind, I'll go hide in a cave now.
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Re: FAQs - Danisnotonfire & AmazingPhil
No, felucca, please never hide in a cave!! This F.A.Q. page would literally be nothing without you. I'm in awe of you, seriously.
And this isn't really related to F.A.Q.'s but I also just want to say that your work on the attraction threads and your playlists is also incredibly awe-inspiring. I feel a bit sad that I seem to have discovered Dan and Phil too late to be part of what I'll call the "Golden Age of Phan Archiving," but I'm so glad that it happened. Lol
For future people: If anyone's reading this F.A.Q. in hopes of learning more about Dan and Phil and you haven't yet checked out the attraction threads, I really recommend that you do so!
Project D&P attraction (Part 1)
Project D&P attraction (Part 2!)
And this isn't really related to F.A.Q.'s but I also just want to say that your work on the attraction threads and your playlists is also incredibly awe-inspiring. I feel a bit sad that I seem to have discovered Dan and Phil too late to be part of what I'll call the "Golden Age of Phan Archiving," but I'm so glad that it happened. Lol
For future people: If anyone's reading this F.A.Q. in hopes of learning more about Dan and Phil and you haven't yet checked out the attraction threads, I really recommend that you do so!
Project D&P attraction (Part 1)
Project D&P attraction (Part 2!)
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oqua
Re: FAQs - Danisnotonfire & AmazingPhil
oqua wrote:No, felucca, please never hide in a cave!! This F.A.Q. page would literally be nothing without you. I'm in awe of you, seriously.
And this isn't really related to F.A.Q.'s but I also just want to say that your work on the attraction threads and your playlists is also incredibly awe-inspiring. I feel a bit sad that I seem to have discovered Dan and Phil too late to be part of what I'll call the "Golden Age of Phan Archiving," but I'm so glad that it happened. Lol
For future people: If anyone's reading this F.A.Q. in hopes of learning more about Dan and Phil and you haven't yet checked out the attraction threads, I really recommend that you do so!
Project D&P attraction (Part 1)
Project D&P attraction (Part 2!)