Fake Threatening Card

[badgal]

Clever little Nesoi found an archived version of that blog post http://web.archive.org/web/201410190834 ... hreat.html

[badgal]

This is all the blog text in case it gets deleted again:

Guru Gossip + The SacconeJoly death threat scandal.

Jonathan Joly and his wife Anna Saccone both have been vlogging (video logging) on the YouTube platform for four years. They share their lives with us daily and publish a 15 to 20 minute video every day at 6pm (GMT). Their vlogs included not only them, but their six dogs, toddler daughter and recently, a newborn son.

Personally, I have watched a few vlogs here and there since the channel was born. I came over from Anna's beauty channel as I have been following her from the very beginning. The Irish beauty community is quite small and I found her beauty videos to be interesting and helpful especially being the in same country with the same stores/accessibility to products. I even bought items she recommended back then!
I don't really watch Anna's beauty channel anymore as my personal taste has grown quite different over the years and I do not have any children thus, not being able to relate to her motherhood videos.

As far as the vlogs go, to be blunt, I find them quite mundane and something I wouldn't be interested in. I used to watch them from Day One until maybe Year Two. Since then, only now and again. My life is quite the same bar the children. I enjoy going out in the day, grocery shopping, shopping and seeing family. I have three crazy and cute toy dogs so I can relate to the madness of them! That being said, they are my personal tastes, opinions and of course many would differ to mine. Respectively.


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I write this here as if you know me, I am quite an opinionated person. Some may dislike me for not sharing the same opinions on certain matters and some do. This is what makes the world go around. We all share different opinions and I think that is perfectly healthy on whether you agree or disagree. (On everything or partial topics.).

I write this here to not also express my opinion on this matter, but to be able to write freely without fans going apeshit on me. I understand that any type of well known person or celebrity has fans. Extremely loyal fans who will say and do anything for their star. Bigger known fandoms even go to the extent of sending hate mail, threats and go absolutely crazy at someone who doesn't share the same love as them, differ in opinion and/or have a completely different opinion about their star/celeb.

I for one have been putting my life on the internet for almost half my lifetime. I understood from the very beginning the consequences and downfall that comes with it. I'm a pretty tough cookie so it has never been such a problem. That being said, I understand that some people will probably have a lot to say about my self as my own individual and will probably have lots to pick about/on me now that I write this. At the end of the day, this is my own personal opinion and thoughts but if you must ''attack'' me for differing in this matter, I tell you in advance that I take accountability for my own posts and life. So...attack all you want I guess. Lol.


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In the last few hours, Jonathan Joly uploaded a photo of a horrific card he had received recently. Being a fellow Irish resident, word get's around fast and news spread like wildfire. Especially on social media.
My first thought was ''wow, this is unbelievable and just downright cruel, what the hell is wrong with some people!!!''.

NOBODY and I mean NOBODY regardless of their reputation,actions or your personal feelings, deserve such hatred and cruelty of this kind. Absolutely nobody. Towards an adult, teen and especially innocent children. This is not acceptable at any extent.

I decided to check the infamous ''Guru Gossip''. If you're like me and social media is a massive part of your life (especially YouTube) then no doubt, you know what GG is. It is a forum site dedicated to the beauty community of YouTube and also YouTubers in different genres. It is dedicated to sharing information, ''hate'', opinions, gossip and a place to vent your differences, frustrations and thoughts/opinions.

I'm not going to sit here and lie to you that I don't visit the site, because I do. Well, I used to on the old website a lot but since then, I have grown away from it to focus on myself as a person. It all just made me angry all the time and consumed me. To be bluntly honest. (Not just GG but I stopped all YT activity also.). Nothing against either platforms, just wanted to better my own life.

A lot of hardcore SacconeJoly fans suspect and point the finger at GG for this scandal and blame them (and PJ Coogan) for this event. PJ Coogan is a radio interviewer from Cork who recently aired an interview with Jonathan himself. PJ like a good interviewer (in my opinion) not only covered Jonathans story / career but also challenged him and asked questions. I think fans took it to heart (also Anna in a vlog showed/spoke distaste about it) and thought PJ was somehow criticizing/attacking what they do.

As a former Irish youtuber (totally not in the same status as they) I can understand how Irish citizens have their concerns and questions about how blogging/vlogging can be a full time job. I personally feel Ireland are a bit behind on that social media part. It took quite a while to explain to my mother what I do online! and she still doesn't fully understand it haha!

SO, I felt it was only natural and as a professional radio interviewer, to question/raise attention and concern to their daily vlogging occupation. I feel because the entire interview was not sugar coated and all sweet, anything aside from that was considered ''hate'' ''close minded'' and was taken to heart the completely wrong way. Same as a couple of their tv interviews I watched years ago.

Due to that, fans like to point the blame to someone and the easiest was PJ Coogan or GG.

As previously stated, I used to go on GG frequently. More so to just ''lurk'' and read. Let's not pretend like we all don't like a bit of gossip in our lives. It's entertaining. Hence all the big celebrity magazines filled with scandals and gossip. We love it. I love it. And I am not ashamed to say so. However, I do not participate in it. I read, have a giggle and move on. (please refer back how I left to better myself for my own reasons) (also back when I first joined, on the old site, SacconeJolys were not popular on GG, only the mainstream US beauty gurus)

Let me tell you, I've known the same members on that forum, from the old site. Most are the same members. Some are 18+, some are in their early to mid twenties, some are older, and some are mothers. Most people seam to think they are ''haters'' with ''no lives'' who have ''nothing better to do'' as a lot of people have more to say about the mothers on it. I just wanted to say, or ask rhetorically: How is going on a gossip forum different to reading your gossip magazines about celebrities? It is not. If you are going to judge them like that, then you may judge yourself too. The fact that you even acknowledge GG, other online gossip both internet / ''real life'' celebrities sites, read magazines and other gossip in your own personal lives, does not give you a stance to judge other people's character based on one website. It is all gossip. Different platforms. You are no different.

I will say this, GG may be a site to share information, ''hate'', opinions, gossip and a place to vent your differences, frustrations and thoughts/opinions. (guilty of copying and pasting that from above) But these women / people / mothers, would NEVER do such terrible actions. Majority of these members do not live in Ireland either. They simply get their information from public outlets which isn't hard to do. All you have to do is research hard/or easy and find the Sherlock Holmes within. The website has not been taken down or sought legal action against, for one main reason: freedom of speech. As previously stated, everything is found online. Public information. No illegal activity lies in the site. They even have a strict T&C which is abided by and also followed by around the clock moderators.

Another concern is ''crazy'' fans who live in Cork where the SacconeJoly's reside. Others including the SacconeJolys, state fans always stalk their homes and even approach their door. In my own personal opinion, I do not believe this to be true. Maybe* fans who live nearby innocently approached them with no intent of harm or terrorizing. I mean what is the purpose of doing that? Ireland is pretty small, and like I said, the online world is pretty disconnected (I'm so punny) from the real world. Not many people know the SacconeJoly's. Respectively. On average their videos get under 200,000 views per video. Let's not forget that this includes worldwide. Out of seven billion people in this world, a lot who use YouTube and social media, 200,000 is not a lot. Respectively.

My own personal opinion is that I do not suspect ANY of GG to have posted this horrific card and I am tired of their bad reputation just because it is a gossip site. It is like any 404 TEXT NOT FOUND on big celebrities, magazines, reality tv, facebook gossip, airing out your own personal gossip on facebook and to a group of friends who spread gossip. It is just a different platform. It is gossip none the less. It is easy to point fingers, and it will always be easier to blame the ''known'' target. But look at all the other gossip platforms, look at YOURSELF who loves to gossip in any shape or form, does that mean you are also a suspect to this? You are just as guilty if that's the case.

I am not making a comment about these or my opinion. Simply opening your mind that possibilities are endless and not to point the finger so quick.


As for the SacconeJoly family, in my opinion I didn't think they should have posted this and brought more attention to it. It doesn't resolve anything but brings more drama. Heck, I'm even writing about it.
You post it for one reason: attention, gossip and drama. I mean, by posting this image online, I logically see no way how it could resolve the issue. A simple tweet to raise the awareness, keep it offline and sort it out with authorities, or heck, even rant about it without giving away the specifics. That would have been some better alternatives.

In regards to their own actions, personally I would have moved my family to a hotel and called authorities immediately to sort this out. That sounded so movie-like and some may think over the top, but that was a blatant threat and is dangerous. You never know how serious or a sick joke it is, it is always better to take precaution. If I had a family of a partner, pack of dogs and especially babies, no amount of CCTV would make me feel any less safe or secure. Even thinking of that right now freaks me out.

The fact that they tweet about it, stay on twitter and move on from it a couple of hours later, is just a bit worrying/questionable to me. Family safety is extremely important regardless of how frequent you get ''hate mail''. Especially threats like ''we are coming for you''.

As for the future, I would highly recommend keeping the kids off camera. At least for a while. There has been other highly concerning issues such as child pornography and other reasonings that I will not get in to.
I get it, you don't want haters to think ''they won'' but really, what is more important at the end of the day? fame or family or what they ''haters'' think? I don't believe as a parent, that risk is even optional. No, I do not have kids, but I would apply the same ''methods'' to what I just wrote, to my own family/roommates. Kids just makes it even more extreme for me. I love family and they are priority.


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I write this not to only address the SacconeJoly issue, but to finally speak up about blaming and accusing others easiest to you. Guru Gossip, radio and tv interviewers so on and so forth. The scandal was more a ''stepping stone'' to talk about these subjects.

Just like GG, PJ Coogan, and even the SacconeJolys themselves, these are MY own thoughts and opinions that may differ to yours. It does not make me a suspect, an easy target for your attack or anything else just because I have something to speak out about.

I do not have any resentful feelings toward any parties mentioned nor was I asked by any parties for my opinion on the matter. Also I am not defending anyone, sticking up for any parties nor am I held any responsible for the current event. I am only holding accountability and responsibility for myself as an individual and what I put on my blog.

I understand I may have contradicted myself in some parts, made some grammar or literacy mistakes but please keep in mind that my head is all over the place with this event and it is also 4.15am in Ireland. >.<

[moonlightpixie]

WHERE ARE THE CHILD SERVICES

[Nesoi]

WHERE ARE THE CHILD SERVICES

on sabbatical or on hiatus or something similar Apparently, the SJs were used as an example on a Social Worker training course. Someone posted this as the reason a 'professional' gave as to why they were doing nothing wrong:

I came to the rave section just to talk about them in a positive way. I avoided the gossip threads for a reason, I'm not sure why you would be in the rave section if you clearly don't like them?
I did indeed hear that the site was closing, I saw it in several places, which doesn't make it true, just something I heard and made me aware of the site.
As for the fact I watched this in a training day, it was simply an example my tutor gave us and the videos were disected to make the points we were training on. Privacy on social media is now changing, especially reguarding children. Because the Sacconejolys are vlogging and not creating actual scheduled content, the children are not being exploited. If they were getting up early and being taught lines then it would be different. Featuring in a YouTube video doesn't count as child labour, that is what my tutor was explaining and the Sacconejolys k

http://www.gurugossiper.com/viewtopic.p ... 0&start=50
#Speechless

[moonlightpixie]

WHERE ARE THE CHILD SERVICES

on sabbatical or on hiatus or something similar Apparently, the SJs were used as an example on a Social Worker training course. Someone posted this as the reason a 'professional' gave as to why they were doing nothing wrong:

I came to the rave section just to talk about them in a positive way. I avoided the gossip threads for a reason, I'm not sure why you would be in the rave section if you clearly don't like them?
I did indeed hear that the site was closing, I saw it in several places, which doesn't make it true, just something I heard and made me aware of the site.
As for the fact I watched this in a training day, it was simply an example my tutor gave us and the videos were disected to make the points we were training on. Privacy on social media is now changing, especially reguarding children. Because the Sacconejolys are vlogging and not creating actual scheduled content, the children are not being exploited. If they were getting up early and being taught lines then it would be different. Featuring in a YouTube video doesn't count as child labour, that is what my tutor was explaining and the Sacconejolys k

http://www.gurugossiper.com/viewtopic.p ... 0&start=50
#Speechless

one thing is for sure,that we can't do anything about saving E&E.

[Nesoi]

Me too #StrangerDanger

[Nesoi]

Me too #StrangerDanger

[gee123]

I'm late in writing on this, but it truly disgusts me seeing that card. Surely you would not put something like that on twitter? For everyone to see, the best thing to do would be to keep it private and contact the police. If they have faked this they are truly deluded and need to re evaluate their lives. I honestly am scared for the children as they grow up their lives are broadcasted every where there is no privacy, everyone can see their routines, when they are away from the house in my eyes filming your holiday is so dangerous for thieves and things like that. The fact he makes a joke and just brushes off that his daughters photos are probably on hundreds of different sites appauls me. I really hope that they stop filming EVERYTHING and that they re evaluate what they are doing and care more about their child's safety.

[badgal]

Why, this looks mighty like the handwriting in that fake threatening card he sent himself! (First mentioned by someone else in the main thread yonks ago but adding here for posterity.)

[Drollie]

Does anyone have a picture of the threatening card? Like the one he posted

Verstuurd vanaf mijn HUAWEI P7-L10 met Tapatalk

[Sarai]

^ It's the first post of this thread...

[iwasbored]

I'm late in writing on this, but it truly disgusts me seeing that card. Surely you would not put something like that on twitter? For everyone to see, the best thing to do would be to keep it private and contact the police. If they have faked this they are truly deluded and need to re evaluate their lives. I honestly am scared for the children as they grow up their lives are broadcasted every where there is no privacy, everyone can see their routines, when they are away from the house in my eyes filming your holiday is so dangerous for thieves and things like that. The fact he makes a joke and just brushes off that his daughters photos are probably on hundreds of different sites appauls me. I really hope that they stop filming EVERYTHING and that they re evaluate what they are doing and care more about their child's safety.

You're so right, this made me think. Have they ever stopped to THINK "hm maybe we don't HAVE to include the kids in EVERY vlog." Guess not

[butterfly2801]

I'm late in writing on this, but it truly disgusts me seeing that card. Surely you would not put something like that on twitter? For everyone to see, the best thing to do would be to keep it private and contact the police. If they have faked this they are truly deluded and need to re evaluate their lives. I honestly am scared for the children as they grow up their lives are broadcasted every where there is no privacy, everyone can see their routines, when they are away from the house in my eyes filming your holiday is so dangerous for thieves and things like that. The fact he makes a joke and just brushes off that his daughters photos are probably on hundreds of different sites appauls me. I really hope that they stop filming EVERYTHING and that they re evaluate what they are doing and care more about their child's safety.

You're so right, this made me think. Have they ever stopped to THINK "hm maybe we don't HAVE to include the kids in EVERY vlog." Guess not

This and the fact that deleted the tweet says a lot.

[beautyish2]

If they really did get threats to their house then they would take their kids off the vlogs..or not vlog..oh wait they can't...they need the money too much. and because this whole thing is made up..as always with him

[badnews]

Did they call the police? If you get a threatening card like that, you hand it in for finger prints etc

[Sarai]

^ He vlogged outside the police station or whatever and said he took it in. But nothing ever came from that apparently. They just act like it never happened.

[HappyLittleBubble]

^ He vlogged outside the police station or whatever and said he took it in. But nothing ever came from that apparently. They just act like it never happened.

I would seriously love for a journal to request info under freedom of information regarding the progress of the case... If such a case exists. I find it highly suspicious that there hasn't been a single court report following a successful police investigation. Which would imply that either the matter wasn't reported or the culprit wasn't caught.

If the culprit wasn't caught, why on earth would you risk exposing your babies further?

All very much sounds like a Jonathan fantasy land situation that will, inevitably, blow up in his face big style.

The truth ALWAYS comes out. It may take months or years, but it will.

[sula]

just adding this from Dec 2014 vlog

xmas joly.jpg

[HappyLittleBubble]

The capital G from the card is identical to the capital G in Jonathan's DML video. Uncannily similar.

[Mashup]

The capital G from the card is identical to the capital G in Jonathan's DML video. Uncannily similar.

nice catch