CloudyApples

[DaylightAmy]

Ugh just watched her channel... ALL she does is create really boring clickbait videos and cash in on the fact that she's pretty. I thought she wanted to be more than this - I mean go for your life, girl, it is YOUR life after all, I just clearly misinterpreted you. I thought you cared about what you put out there in the world, not just about what came back in in return for it.

[RaniaIsAwesome]

It's weird, I recall her at some point going through a phase where she stopped university because she had kept changing majors and she didn't want to talk about what she was doing with her life, and her then eventually uploading a video stating she had dropped out indefinitely and had decided to make YouTube her main focus. I can't find that video now - I'm wondering if that's because the title isn't obvious, or because she's actually deleted it.

Are you sure? First of all, I bet she was a straight A student almost every time and kept changing majors because she was able to do them all. She did science and maths for a while remember. We know how talented she is an artist and musician not to mention visual arts, she must have been brilliant at those as well to even consider that. She was reading big books by the age 4 or 5, and she randomly read one large book in one sitting she mentioned in her video. Also migrant families tend to be extremely successful academically. My interpretation would be Kassie would be too pragmatic to do that.

Keep in mind people like Cloudyapples and pewdiepie like to pretend they were shit at school because it makes them seem less exceptional, like your every day type of dude. That way they're less of a threat to people. It's like how Kassie plays dumb sometimes (though that is a bit more honest), the fall guy that people can laugh at. It also hides the fact that they are doing a million things behind the scenes that the audience isn't aware of to manipulate them into clicking and liking them. It's just how it is.

But clearly she decided to wage everything on YouTube and truth be told the beauty and wellness category isn't as profitable as the gaming category. Again I do get it's a job, but it's still too bad because in my opinion CloudyApples was quality, GloomGames is quantity, and I wish she'd found a middle way somewhere inbetween.

GloomGames is making ridiculous amounts of money right now. If Kassie doesn't have any ideas for CloudyApples, she is better off not to post a video on it.

[DaylightAmy]

I'm not sure what you're talking about... I never said anything about her grades or intelligence? I just said she kept changing majors and seemed to struggle with not knowing what she wanted to do in life... I honestly don't know why you think I was implying she was dumb or couldn't pass classes. She just couldn't figure out which major suited what she wanted, so she dropped out mid-studies to pursue a YouTube career. That's all I was saying. And yes I'm sure, because she made a video about it at the time and word-for-word said that herself?

[RaniaIsAwesome]

I didn't say any of that though.

I said I have doubts over your statement that she dropped out of university and gave reasons for why I do.

I followed her closely and never heard anything about her dropping out of university to support a youtube career and I won't believe she did unless there's evidence otherwise.

[timesnewroman]

Is there even evidence of her finishing school though?? I used to follow her pretty closely too and I also got the impression that she didn't finish school.
I definitely think she would have had youtube not taken off, but based off the the last couple videos on cloudy apples, she was in school but then she suddenly moved to cali. i would imagine it's hard to transfer credits from one university in a different country to another.

Hearing about how strict her parents were also confirms to me that she did not finish school because without a doubt she would have posted something about finishing school/getting a degree/etc something along those lines.

[RaniaIsAwesome]

You guys may be right. In this Q&A she says at around 1:10 she says she was going to be an engineer but ended up on youtube:

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That doesn't explain though how she said she was changing majors. I still thought with her dad being a professor that he would get her to finish. It also doesn't explain all the books on rhetoric etc. she had on her desk, while I would have remembered if she had math/engineering ones.

It makes me cringe a little how much she praises "the community" and how warmly she talks about them, that was one of the things she always used to always do in cloudyapples. She says how they don't take things so seriously. She knows she is going for the most absolute mainstream demographic, there is absolutely nothing special or cool or intelligent or interesting about the gaming community, it's the most absurd thing to claim.

Do you think these youtubers actually give the slightest shit about their fans or is it all just about subscribers?

They talk about how much they care about and "love" their fans and compliment them every second, tell them how they remember them as that wonderful fan. And for example when building their channel they will nearly ALWAYS favourite a fan's tweet if it's a reply to them and it's positive of them, because other people will get to see it that way. If someone makes a drawing of them they'll retweet the drawing and tell the author how wonderful it is (no matter how bad it is). They don't care about the drawing, they care about the exposure. At that stage the fans are just like cattle. Then when they get big enough they just quit that as well.

I really thought CloudyApples was different and meant what she said and really believed in everything she was doing and her fans. I'm not saying it's that CloudApples fans were some superior club or something, just that it's what she herself kept claiming about how great the community was. And look at her clickbaits and how slick everything is, including her professional community... let's euphemistically call it "management". If you look back at her earlier videos, it's extremely difficult to believe she could be anything but a sweet soul. Maybe it's the money that's changed her though?

[meowlizzz]

Just a reminder that her GloomGames thread is here: http://gurugossiper.com/viewtopic.php?f=186&t=31249
Not trying to stop the discussion, just a friendly reminder! (since Cloudy Apples is dead )

I hate watching her GloomGames channel because there's no substance. I get that it's a gaming channel and that those don't really have substance. But she could at the very least play games that she truly enjoys. For example, gamers like Cryaotic who have done play-throughs with some awesome games. Instead, I've seen her play stupid online games that everyone and their mothers are playing. She's really taken on the popular gamer persona. She makes me think of Pewdiepie and JackSepticEye, with their over-the-top behaviors. I always knew she was funny and silly, and she said that she wanted to do another channel that reflects a hobby of hers--but I feel like it's about the money. All of her videos-- her choice in games, the amount of videos she produces, the clickbaits, etc --all say to me "I'm doing this for views and money!"

I do miss Cloudy Apples so much because she was producing interesting content that went beyond typical "beauty" videos. She always talked about topics that made me think, encouraged discussion, and shared some helpful advice and tips about different subjects. I guess Cloudy Apples was too much for her to handle in the end. She took the easier route. Left the channel with quality content but less views, and went with a new channel that produces what every stupid gamer does for more views. I'm so disappointed.

[DaylightAmy]

Honestly I'm not making it up just for fun... she has addressed it. I said in my original post that she had a video purely about that, but I couldn't find it anymore - so perhaps she has deleted it; because she did state specifically in the video that she had never really felt comfortable talking about it on YouTube so she had been avoiding talking about what she was majoring and what her ambitions were... stating she never really knew what she wanted to do with her life, and she was finally able to decide that YouTube was what she wanted to do and that's why she dropped out and wanted to make it a fulltime job. The vibe from the video was that she was somewhat ashamed of it, and it was quite a personal monologue about mental health as well, so it wouldn't be unreasonable of her to just remove it later on anyway. She was sitting next to her books for her college classes in the video.

In above posted video on Gloom she also mentions that she was taking classes and going to campus to be an engineer but it wasn't making her happy, and YouTube did make her happy so she ended up going with that...

[peterkxvinsky]

She did drop out of school though? She mentioned it in her YouTube Q&A with the teen advice and boob job question. Also on her blog post here: http://www.cloudyapples.ca/university-d ... ey-stigma/

[RaniaIsAwesome]

She did drop out of school though? She mentioned it in her YouTube Q&A with the teen advice and boob job question. Also on her blog post here: http://www.cloudyapples.ca/university-d ... ey-stigma/

I read the blog entry and watched the entire video again and nowhere does she say she dropped out. Just because she was defending people who dropped out of university doesn't mean she did it herself. In the video she states she was taking a break because she changed her majors so many times. I'm not sure how university works in America but to me it sounded like that could have meant anything, like she might have had a light load to complete her primary degree or she might have been going for a dual degree or a masters, etc.

I'm persuaded it's true from DaylightAmy's post, I've just joined this website so can't just believe everything I read straightaway. I wish I could have seen that video. I'm assuming she deleted it because she didn't want all the pressure falling on her, and didn't want to be seen as someone just doing it for the money. It is interesting if she was ashamed of it. What a really sweet girl.

It's great for her of course how much she's exploded and I'm happy for her, but I really miss her interaction and the feeling she was doing something really meaningful.

[DaylightAmy]

She did drop out of school though? She mentioned it in her YouTube Q&A with the teen advice and boob job question. Also on her blog post here: http://www.cloudyapples.ca/university-d ... ey-stigma/

I read the blog entry and watched the entire video again and nowhere does she say she dropped out. Just because she was defending people who dropped out of university doesn't mean she did it herself. In the video she states she was taking a break because she changed her majors so many times. I'm not sure how university works in America but to me it sounded like that could have meant anything, like she might have had a light load to complete her primary degree or she might have been going for a dual degree or a masters, etc.

I'm persuaded it's true from DaylightAmy's post, I've just joined this website so can't just believe everything I read straightaway. I wish I could have seen that video. I'm assuming she deleted it because she didn't want all the pressure falling on her, and didn't want to be seen as someone just doing it for the money. It is interesting if she was ashamed of it. What a really sweet girl.

It's great for her of course how much she's exploded and I'm happy for her, but I really miss her interaction and the feeling she was doing something really meaningful.

I really miss that too - it's not that she's obligated to do CloudyApples... but a lot of the videos she did on there were exactly that - meaningful. They were lifestyle with a layer of depth and honesty that most lifestyle channels don't really have. She's got so much to offer in that department, and as much as I get that GloomGames is fun for her and pays her bills, the fact that she for whatever reason she's had to choose between practical and meaningful (whether it's a conscious choice or not) is a bit disappointing and even discouraging (is that life? are you either clickbait or quality, you can't be both?).

I really do think she deleted that video, because I remember her clearly being uncomfortable admitting she hadn't really had much direction in her life... I was surprised she was uncomfortable with it, because she's always been so open about other things (loss, depression, etc). And her admitting in the video that pretty much her future now relied on how well she did on YouTube - I remember thinking (naively) that must mean she would now make a lot more CloudyApples content... but I think she just stayed on CloudyApples working at the same pace to take a breather from uni and start planning, and then eventually started Gloom and deleted that video.

[meowlizzz]

They were lifestyle with a layer of depth and honesty that most lifestyle channels don't really have. She's got so much to offer in that department, and as much as I get that GloomGames is fun for her and pays her bills, the fact that she for whatever reason she's had to choose between practical and meaningful (whether it's a conscious choice or not) is a bit disappointing and even discouraging (is that life? are you either clickbait or quality, you can't be both?).

^ THIS.

Maybe now that she has more fans she'll consider going back to CloudyApples. She could wait until she has a lot of followers and then bring some of them back to her old channel. But that would mean juggling both channels, and I don't know that she'd want to do that. I'm not holding my breath, but it's a thought.

[RaniaIsAwesome]

I definitely agree that she doesn't play into the "dumb girl gamer" stereotype where it's funny at the cost of intelligence.

That's probably why it frustrates me so much though - from having watched her on CloudyApples for years I KNOW she has substance and intelligence and she doesn't NEED the whole circus to attract viewers if she just plays what she honestly wants to play and enjoys it. But she still resorts to clickbait in all manners (from pictures of other YTers, to boobs to an extra pretty face in the thumbnail) and plays absolute cannon-fodder games for the quick way up. And it's not like she really alternates it, it's all of the above all of the time. And I thought she could have done better than that.

(quoted from the gloom thread).... exactly right. The flashiness is probably from the influence of Toby Turner and the like. It worked out for her though, nobody's going to turn down something that makes hundreds or thousands of dollars per video.

The one gloomgames video I really like is her Boys in a Bunker (60 seconds) video she made recently, I think it's the best one on that channel. I think it's just really quality and her personality comes out. The fat guy that was there the other time just damages it. I checked Markiplier and Jacksepticeye's videos on the same game and they are so boring compared to her, they don't have any prop like the tomatoe sauce. She doesn't try to do overt sexuality or toilet humour in this one, even the thumbnail is really good and not flashy. And for a brief moment, it was like the old days again.

Anyway, she's posted a video on her hair that could have gone on her CloudyApples channel.

I think the video is great, though it's all about her hair so that kind of limits how outstanding it can be. I think she is exaggerating about the reactions to her hair, for example when she says her dad turned around and walked in the other direction. I highly doubt her dad and mom reacted like that, it just doesn't really make sense to me. I can understand humour but I don't like when it's just exaggerating out of proportion.

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The costumes and the humour reminds me of superwoman, it's not the type of humour I really like. I think she should be creative herself and not copy others, what she does herself is the best.

It could have been something deeply philosophical and meaningful about appearance and people's reaction, along with some practical tips and other insights. But instead she went straight for the quicker comedy angle, "omg like everyone was so horrified omg".... and we learn very little.

She also posted a picture on instagram, and thanked people in the video who replied to her saying how stunning she was. I'd never have thought of her as an instagram attention seeking girl before seeking validation from posting pictures of herself wanting people to say she was beautiful before, literally saying she was seeking validation in the video. I thought the whole point was supposed to be she did things right in her life, lived a natural and healthy lifestyle and it shone in her.

I think it's good, it's high quality like she always does but, it's strange... even the name of it "skin-coloured hair"... I'm sure there are lots of people with hair the same colour as their skin and it looks fine.

She also put her boyfriend in a weird position. I don't think it's good to have this weird contradiction even as a joke. She also said "I have zero aesthetic taste" and thought it looked pretty good, which is one of the most ridiculous things she could possibly have said. When you start joking about things like that then it soon gets very weird and contradictory, she seems not to give a toss about even being coherent sometimes.

I wonder if when she's really comfortable with how much money she has, then she might consider going back to CloudyApples again, course we're way past her reliably responding to comments of random people. I can't see her just doing this exact same thing forever. It'll be fascinating to see what she does in future and I'm sure she'll have something new to offer us all.

[RaniaIsAwesome]

* oops, I mean on Twitter. She didn't post anything on instagram, I just thought it was like an instagram type of post, can't edit post.

[DaylightAmy]

Anyway, she's posted a video on her hair that could have gone on her CloudyApples channel.

I think the video is great, though it's all about her hair so that kind of limits how outstanding it can be. I think she is exaggerating about the reactions to her hair, for example when she says her dad turned around and walked in the other direction. I highly doubt her dad and mom reacted like that, it just doesn't really make sense to me. I can understand humour but I don't like when it's just exaggerating out of proportion.

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The costumes and the humour reminds me of superwoman, it's not the type of humour I really like. I think she should be creative herself and not copy others, what she does herself is the best.

It could have been something deeply philosophical and meaningful about appearance and people's reaction, along with some practical tips and other insights. But instead she went straight for the quicker comedy angle, "omg like everyone was so horrified omg".... and we learn very little.

She also posted a picture on instagram, and thanked people in the video who replied to her saying how stunning she was. I'd never have thought of her as an instagram attention seeking girl before seeking validation from posting pictures of herself wanting people to say she was beautiful before, literally saying she was seeking validation in the video. I thought the whole point was supposed to be she did things right in her life, lived a natural and healthy lifestyle and it shone in her.

I'm really surprised about her admitting just how vain she is. The fact that when her friends asked her for a picture after she said she didn't like her hair colour... and she then proceeded to put extensive effort into taking a "perfect looking" picture to make sure you couldn't see the things she didn't like - that's really insecure of her - if she was able to laugh at herself at all, she wouldn't have done that at all.

Not to mention it's really a non-issue - if she's already spent "hundreds of dollars" on getting it coloured, why not just go back and have them dye it slightly darker (so they don't have to lighten again) to correct it, problem solved... makes me kind of feel like you're wallowing in your insecurity, or faking it to begin with because you really DON'T care as much as you say. False modesty?

This video could have easily gone on CloudyApples with some more substance (she has said she kept doing her previous hair colour not just because she loved it, but because her sister picked it out, so her old colour had emotional value to her). The truth is she uploaded it on GloomGames (in spite of the fact that it isn't what her audience is really interested in) because it would get more views regardless... again, not really wrong to want to get paid, but then don't act like you have no inspiration for CloudyApples. You do - you just don't want to make time for something that pays less. Just be honest about it.

[meowlizzz]

She could have totally uploaded that on Cloudy Apples.

And I was left with so many questions.

Why didn't she go ask for her money back? Or at least for them to fix it? Will she try to fix it on her own? Is she keeping it? Why didn't she upload this on Cloudy Apples?

But seriously, that part where she tried so hard to take a good picture that didn't actually show how bad her hair was..??? What was the point of that???

[Alka]

Does she think her audience just went from hippy dippy skincare and philosophy to watching her play stupid games? no effing way I'd ever sub to her new channel

[RaniaIsAwesome]

I'm really surprised about her admitting just how vain she is. The fact that when her friends asked her for a picture after she said she didn't like her hair colour... and she then proceeded to put extensive effort into taking a "perfect looking" picture to make sure you couldn't see the things she didn't like - that's really insecure of her - if she was able to laugh at herself at all, she wouldn't have done that at all.

It's as if Cloudyapples never existed. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if she started deleting her whole Cloudyapples channel if she thought it was damaging her. It's a really weird video to me, so little makes sense.

I liked what she is wearing and the setting like in the first 16 seconds - the colours go together so well and her expression and voice. I think that's all perfect. She is so well able to express herself and so likable, she never lost her touch there. It's just sad the content is so vapid. She has some amazing genius that she knows exactly what looks good, which is why it's so ridiculous that she claimed she has "no aesthetic sense".

If you think back to her "How to Impress Your Boyfriend's Parents".... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BncUGM48cWk that was so original and funny. I remember wondering how could she possibly be able to plan that and know that it was going to turn out right, where the inspiration came from. All of these incredible ideas and scenes and dialogue, it was just brilliant. Now it's just the same cheap laughs of most other mainstream youtubers and costumes.

Not to mention it's really a non-issue - if she's already spent "hundreds of dollars" on getting it coloured, why not just go back and have them dye it slightly darker (so they don't have to lighten again) to correct it, problem solved... makes me kind of feel like you're wallowing in your insecurity, or faking it to begin with because you really DON'T care as much as you say. False modesty?

I would go more with faking it. She knew exactly what was going to happen when she posted it on Twitter, all planned as a way to "reach out" to her audience and make them feel they in some way validated her when they are merely dollar signs to her now. It's all a fake sense of community. Make her fans think she genuinely cared about them other than views. It's like how she used to always praise the Cloudyapples community for being so wonderful, now it's the Gloomgames community that has the best people in it. Sickening really. When I look back at her old videos, she is so convincing, it is hard to imagine that she could have a bad bone in her body, but it's all different now.

This video could have easily gone on CloudyApples with some more substance (she has said she kept doing her previous hair colour not just because she loved it, but because her sister picked it out, so her old colour had emotional value to her). The truth is she uploaded it on GloomGames (in spite of the fact that it isn't what her audience is really interested in) because it would get more views regardless... again, not really wrong to want to get paid, but then don't act like you have no inspiration for CloudyApples. You do - you just don't want to make time for something that pays less. Just be honest about it.

yeah, moving to LA seems to have been the beginning of the end. I think where someone lives and who is around them has a big influence on their personality and behaviour. It's such a shame what's happened.

[RaniaIsAwesome]

Wow, her latest one.

She is literally laughing when hearing bad stories from her fans and she's supposed to be crying. Starting from 3:20.

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Now look at around 4:20, here she starts making these face twitches that people make when they're extremely emotional or upset. Here they are obviously totally FAKE and she's not even hiding it. You don't have those twitches just before bursting out laughing.

I could understand getting a fit of giggles just when she's supposed to be sad, however twitching and stuff like that like you're supposed to be in tears and then bursting out laughing is clearly not genuine.

And the fact that she didn't even BOTHER to redo the video shows how little respect she has for the intelligence and savvy of the audience.

It makes me sad. I tried so much to like and believe in this girl, from the very first videos she did about living a natural lifestyle etc., but she just seems to have just gotten kind of crazy now and gone off a cliff. Another thing is she was "fangirling" over a top Overwatch player and made a weird joke to her boyfriend that she would just like to have sex with him.

She gave a ridiculously crude plug for audible in the video, and nothing she did was funny or clever. But what's annoying is that she's going to be funny and clever in other videos again and end up with her well over 1 million subscribers.

[peterkxvinsky]

I find that unfair... I saw her latest video and was quite surprised at how she got emotional and it seemed genuine to me. Kassie doesn't seem like the kind of person who wants to let people know she's down, and uses humour as a coping mechanism. I've been following her for a long time so maybe I'm biased, but I cannot imagine what it was like for her to lose her sister by suicide.