Sarra Cannon: Part 2

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mandymax wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2024 7:44 am
I don't follow Sarra on social media anymore, and I only watch her videos once in awhile now because I get so frustrated. But I did see a snippet somewhere where she showed that she bought new keys for her new Freewrite Alpha that I'm guessing she HAD to buy for Camp NaNo. Aside from buying shiny new things for Camp, has she made any actual WRITING progress?
I saw that too. Supposedly a release date announcement for TDOVS is imminent, according to the punchline of her very recent April Fools post.

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The fact that this thread is so silent speaks volumes. Like have we all just given up following her? I haven't watched any recent videos because they all just seem the same and I figure it'll all just be the same recycled excuses.

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She's kept promising next week and next week for a release date, and now she's traveling off and on for the next month and a half, so my guess is an October release...maybe.

She did a live stream yesterday, and the start of it was pretty much the same ole song and dance. Permission to rest, yada yada. Like hon, we know. You're still justifying it to yourself.
At this point, I think for all her planning, she's really awful about overpromising and underdelivering. So long as she's trying to be all and do all, it's going to continue being that way.

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I watched (well, listened) her livestream on replay later while doing household stuff, and it was nothing we haven't heard a million times. With all the speaking engagements and travel she has coming up, I don't see how she will manage to get a book out any time soon. She went into this year saying she was writing TDOVS, SDS 12, her new serial, her final Eternal Sorrows book, and hopefully starting the next Witch's Key book. Now she's telling people "hopefully by the end this year" for SDS 12.

She may be making time for her writing now, and she may be refilling her well more (kudos to both), but her process requires so much work prior to writing and then so many rewrites that she will be lucky to get one book published this year.

I've given up hope with her. It's the same song and dance, always making excuses, even if they're valid. She over-promises and never delivers. I'll believe it when I see it (consistently). I'm still curious how she's going to maintain her serial on Ream.

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I'm extremely doubtful that she'll put out regular story content on Ream. The real question is if she does fall into that trap, how long a paid audience will put up with her not delivering what was promised/expected.

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WriteByTheMoon wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2024 6:34 am
I'm extremely doubtful that she'll put out regular story content on Ream. The real question is if she does fall into that trap, how long a paid audience will put up with her not delivering what was promised/expected.
Someone actually asked her during her announcement on YouTube what the refund policy would be if she didn't deliver as promised. She said there wouldn't be a refund policy and that you're paying for community and the experience, not just the book. Then she said how it's not for everyone and they didn't have to subscribe if it wasn't a good fit for them.

I was partially shocked at someone had the balls to ask but also understood why they did with her record!

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xoxo321 wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2024 6:41 am

Someone actually asked her during her announcement on YouTube what the refund policy would be if she didn't deliver as promised. She said there wouldn't be a refund policy and that you're paying for community and the experience, not just the book. Then she said how it's not for everyone and they didn't have to subscribe if it wasn't a good fit for them.

I was partially shocked at someone had the balls to ask but also understood why they did with her record!
I missed that! If she doesn't deliver on the story, why bother with Ream at all? Why not just fully embrace the YouTuber vibe and have a Patreon?
I kinda understand why some creators will put "community" behind a paywall to weed out the casual troll, but it still makes me roll my eyes as well.

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WriteByTheMoon wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2024 1:08 pm
xoxo321 wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2024 6:41 am

Someone actually asked her during her announcement on YouTube what the refund policy would be if she didn't deliver as promised. She said there wouldn't be a refund policy and that you're paying for community and the experience, not just the book. Then she said how it's not for everyone and they didn't have to subscribe if it wasn't a good fit for them.

I was partially shocked at someone had the balls to ask but also understood why they did with her record!
I missed that! If she doesn't deliver on the story, why bother with Ream at all? Why not just fully embrace the YouTuber vibe and have a Patreon?
I kinda understand why some creators will put "community" behind a paywall to weed out the casual troll, but it still makes me roll my eyes as well.
Honestly really surprised she doesn’t have a patreon. I wonder why? I think she’d be better suited to it than ream with all her course stuff too.

I hope ream itself has a refund policy of some sort in place, I tried to find info for that but couldn’t.

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It's a pretty new platform, I wonder what kind of growing pains it will have.

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https://reamstories.com/policy/terms

There's a section on here about refunds. This is what it said. (There's more but this felt appropriate to this conversation.)

"If an Author changes, deletes, stops writing a story, or fails to deliver another benefit, any refund obligations belong solely to the Author. You agree that we have no obligation for refunds. We are under no obligation to become involved in any dispute between a Reader (or other user) and an Author."

So it sounds like Ream keeps their hands out of it, and it's at each author's discretion. From what Sarra implied, it sounds like she won't be offering refunds.

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She's a savy enough business woman to probably realize being willing to offer refunds with her writing track record recently is a recipe for disaster.
I think I've heard her say she has given course refunds before, but I think it was some peculiar circumstances.

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xoxo321 wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2024 6:41 am
WriteByTheMoon wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2024 6:34 am
I'm extremely doubtful that she'll put out regular story content on Ream. The real question is if she does fall into that trap, how long a paid audience will put up with her not delivering what was promised/expected.
Someone actually asked her during her announcement on YouTube what the refund policy would be if she didn't deliver as promised. She said there wouldn't be a refund policy and that you're paying for community and the experience, not just the book. Then she said how it's not for everyone and they didn't have to subscribe if it wasn't a good fit for them.
Well, doesn't that just make me want to run and be the first to sign up.

I don't remember which video I'd watched, but in it, she said that Ream is a good way for an author to have a steady income that's not dependent upon sales. Which tells me she has no interest in putting her nose to the grindstone and getting back into writing like she used to. She wants the money with a minimum amount of effort.

She is a completely different person than she was when I first discovered her years ago, sometime before COVID. And it's not just the fact that she isn't writing and consistently fails to keep her word - she just seems MISERABLE. Deflated. All sparkly and happy until someone calls her on her crap, and then she gets defensive. Honestly, if I were to first stumble across her as she is now, I wouldn't follow her, either as a content creator or as an author. There's nothing positive and uplifting there anymore.

And I'll be flat-out shocked if TDOVS gets released in the next two years, let alone any of her other I'M SO EXCITED TO WRITE THIS NEW STORY IDEA!!!!!! fool's gold projects.

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mandymax wrote:
Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:57 am
xoxo321 wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2024 6:41 am


Someone actually asked her during her announcement on YouTube what the refund policy would be if she didn't deliver as promised. She said there wouldn't be a refund policy and that you're paying for community and the experience, not just the book. Then she said how it's not for everyone and they didn't have to subscribe if it wasn't a good fit for them.
Well, doesn't that just make me want to run and be the first to sign up.

I don't remember which video I'd watched, but in it, she said that Ream is a good way for an author to have a steady income that's not dependent upon sales. Which tells me she has no interest in putting her nose to the grindstone and getting back into writing like she used to. She wants the money with a minimum amount of effort.

She is a completely different person than she was when I first discovered her years ago, sometime before COVID. And it's not just the fact that she isn't writing and consistently fails to keep her word - she just seems MISERABLE. Deflated. All sparkly and happy until someone calls her on her crap, and then she gets defensive. Honestly, if I were to first stumble across her as she is now, I wouldn't follow her, either as a content creator or as an author. There's nothing positive and uplifting there anymore.

And I'll be flat-out shocked if TDOVS gets released in the next two years, let alone any of her other I'M SO EXCITED TO WRITE THIS NEW STORY IDEA!!!!!! fool's gold projects.
“She wants the money with a minimum amount of effort.”

This. One of her recent Insta stories was her highlighting her baseball cap that read “Not a penny from pressure, only pleasure.” :roll:

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Did she finish April Camp NaNWriiMo?

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I highly doubt it. Supposedly there are vlogs for these last 3 conferences she's been to, but I'm interested to see if any of them ever see the light of day.
Girl has way overcommitted herself recently.

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Did she even do camp nano? I remember her saying her goal was 60k on her new serial, "as long as she finished TDOVS before hand." Then she said she may have to take a week or so for edits on VS. Now it's halfway into May and she hasn't done anything. She was going to launch her Ream this month too, and Friday on coffee chat she said July. She's WAY over committed, for sure.

I think all her $$$ comes from HB, so she can't put it on the backburner the way she wants to. She has to lean into where the money is. It's not in her books currently.

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I don't know that it's "overcommitted" so much as it is "only committing to things that bring joy."

Things that bring joy: conferences, where she can talk about what she's already done (notice I didn't say "what she's DOING") and where people can rave over her; planning new ideas; anything that doesn't require mind-numbing and/or stressful labor and always retains its sparkly appealing shine; shopping.

Things that don't bring joy: giving up the fun stuff and devoting that time to actually following through on things that no longer bring joy because they require mind-numbing and/or stressful labor actual labor and aren't always fun. This would be books she's been promising for years, vlogs, stories that are barely months old, etc.

It's hard to believe she used to be inspirational.

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I think both can be accurate, that she has overcommitted herself while still refusing to work on anything not "joyful."

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I wish I never found Sarra. I found her author stuff first on YouTube. Her constant buying gives me anxiety. It comes off as she is showing off. I feel like no matter how much she buys it will never be enough. I was going to take P&T but my husband said no because she doesn’t practice what she preaches. He was right once I sat down and thought about it.

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It was brought up again today how anybody joining the Ream subscription should be there for the community, and after some of the deeply personal stuff she shared about her mom...I think she has a little too strong of a parasocial relationship with her fangirls. But at the same time, she's aware of how if she said something really dumb, people could turn on her quickly.

I've been rewatching Notebook challenge videos this week and she made a comment in January about people "being mad at consumerism." That irked me so bad, because it comes off like she really doesn't understand the conversation around consumerism or how all the buying of stuff can be detrimental.

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