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Re: Pogan and Pake, Vol. 2

Post by lmmomSD » Fri Nov 22, 2019 7:20 pm

Dumb question: WHY does Jake do these fake "weddings"? What good woman will ever take him seriously if he actually falls in love and says he wants to get married? I suppose that any woman who really loves him is going to have to take his past with a grain of salt.
It's wasteful too, but a lot of their lifestyle is wasteful, so that doesn't surprise me.

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Post by Nance » Fri Nov 22, 2019 7:44 pm

I think I remember he said couple sell or that "love" sell. Ultimately this is content, views, aka money. I think Jake/Tana started as a cute joke, the Paul Family channel, then he push the joke too far for too long. Tana got a subs/views boost for a while, but it's now normal. Jake got nothing than maybe gigs and content, his views are down and his subs are normal, he barely post anything interesting, but apparently he makes business money so... He might have a secret girlfriend off camera, I don't know if this is true, but yeah, his girlfriend would have to deal with a lot of past and present shit.

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Re: Pogan and Pake, Vol. 2

Post by ChibiAngel » Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:50 pm

Nance wrote:
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I think I remember he said couple sell or that "love" sell. Ultimately this is content, views, aka money. I think Jake/Tana started as a cute joke, the Paul Family channel, then he push the joke too far for too long. Tana got a subs/views boost for a while, but it's now normal. Jake got nothing than maybe gigs and content, his views are down and his subs are normal, he barely post anything interesting, but apparently he makes business money so... He might have a secret girlfriend off camera, I don't know if this is true, but yeah, his girlfriend would have to deal with a lot of past and present shit.

Supposedly he does and her name is Emma Toth (fitness model)
Brief discussion about it in the latest Tana Mongeau thread.
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Re: Pogan and Pake, Vol. 2

Post by horatio » Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:13 pm

Nance wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 7:44 pm
I think I remember he said couple sell or that "love" sell. Ultimately this is content, views, aka money. I think Jake/Tana started as a cute joke, the Paul Family channel, then he push the joke too far for too long. Tana got a subs/views boost for a while, but it's now normal. Jake got nothing than maybe gigs and content, his views are down and his subs are normal, he barely post anything interesting, but apparently he makes business money so... He might have a secret girlfriend off camera, I don't know if this is true, but yeah, his girlfriend would have to deal with a lot of past and present shit.
Yeah this is exactly it. The “weddings” are business decisions. “People love couples” as he supposedly told Alissa at the start of team 10. The stream for the Jana wedding was $50! And be doesn’t seem to have paid a cent towards it what with sponsorships and that guy who supposedly paid (don’t know how much truth is in that).

Any genuine girlfriend would see how fake it all was because they see the things we don’t see. Presumably that’s how this Emma girl views it - like he’s an actor in a tv show and tana is his onscreen wife.

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Post by rva1 » Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:39 am

Yup I'll admit it, the ONLY reason I started watching any of Jake or Tana's videos was because they were a couple and I enjoyed watching them together as entertainment. I could care less about boxing or team 10. I haven't watched any of either of their videos lately since they hardly ever hang out/film together anymore.

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Re: Pogan and Pake, Vol. 2

Post by lmmomSD » Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:05 am

horatio wrote:
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Fri Nov 22, 2019 7:44 pm
I think I remember he said couple sell or that "love" sell. Ultimately this is content, views, aka money. I think Jake/Tana started as a cute joke, the Paul Family channel, then he push the joke too far for too long. Tana got a subs/views boost for a while, but it's now normal. Jake got nothing than maybe gigs and content, his views are down and his subs are normal, he barely post anything interesting, but apparently he makes business money so... He might have a secret girlfriend off camera, I don't know if this is true, but yeah, his girlfriend would have to deal with a lot of past and present shit.
Yeah this is exactly it. The “weddings” are business decisions. “People love couples” as he supposedly told Alissa at the start of team 10. The stream for the Jana wedding was $50! And be doesn’t seem to have paid a cent towards it what with sponsorships and that guy who supposedly paid (don’t know how much truth is in that).

Any genuine girlfriend would see how fake it all was because they see the things we don’t see. Presumably that’s how this Emma girl views it - like he’s an actor in a tv show and tana is his onscreen wife.
That's an excellent point. Thanks. Good way to look at it.

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Post by ChibiAngel » Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:55 pm

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https://integrativepsych.co/new-blog/an ... ong-island

(10 Silent Signs of Emotional Neglect - These are common adult symptoms of childhood emotional neglect:)

This pretty much sums up Jake Paul. I know people get aggravated from me defending Jake Paul and Logan so much...but I relate to their homelife. (Their childhood upbringing) It's easy to say "get over it" when you've never dealt with such a living situation but..when you grow up in an environment that is intrinsically hostile...it feels normal because you don't know anything else and that kind of "normal" means you're accustomed to living in hostile environments and unconsciously seek them out (recreate it). Why? It's the mindset that you know that bad stuff inevitably happens so you feel uncomfortable with anything being 100% ok for you (because you don't trust it'll last or feel you don't deserve a consistent level of calmness) You also don't know how to make negative feelings go away.

It isn't just the Paul Bros running a business or having problems with being alone (It's both of those things)
But also...they've recreated the environment they both grew up in by modeling their businesses after it.

I've spent a year investigating and digging through their vlogs.
I started commenting here in late 2018 and revised my viewpoints along the way with every Docu-series, podcast, interview.

My thoughts as of November 2019 (Greg, Pam, Logan and Jake)

Jake and Logan both suffer from the long-term effects of childhood emotional neglect and physical abuse.
The signs are all there from Jake/Logan's behavior, what they say about their parents and what their parents say about one another.
Then there is Jake's poor choice of partners, their player mentality, the fact they don't notice the sycophants living in their house. (Hangers-on)

Pam - Passive-Aggressive/Narcisstic: She knew Greg had anger/alcohol problems but instead of removing her sons from his house for their own safety, she left them there on alternating weeks and still tries to prove she's "better" than Greg by being the nice parent. This is the emotionally-controlling parent. A parent who leaves their kid/s in harms way is just as bad as the one exhibiting outwardly bad behavior. From the kids perspectie: She looks like the better parent because she's "nicer than Greg"

Greg: Has anger issues (possible undiagnosed PTSD) and a problem with alcohol: He has no filter, is kinda abrasive when discussing situations. He's basically unapologetically honest and doesn't spare people's feelings. This is the physically-controlling parent.

Jake and Logan both display (as adults) a combination of narcisstic and people-pleasing tendencies as well as commitment issues. (Neither brother is a full NPD)

Both brothers have an intense fear of failure. It's as if failing literally makes them feel terrible

Jake has poor coping skills for his emotions but is making progress going forward - As illustrated in his reaction video (in the car) to the boxing match...how he ADMITTED he was brought up not being allowed to cry but understanding now that recognizing your own emotions is healthy/natural. He's slowly learning not ot be so critical of himself but still has a hard time with his own inner-voice.

Basically Pam is addicted to Greg and Greg is addicted to the sons.
Pam tries to one-up Greg and Greg lives vicariously through Jake and Logan.
After nearly 20years there is still this unspoken animosity between them.
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Post by horatio » Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:48 am

I think you’re pretty spot on. You don’t have to like Jake to accept his parents really fucked him up - I wouldn’t wish that upbringing on anyone. Where Greg was throwing them down the stairs for misbehaviour, Pam still proudly says “my house was a place they never heard no” - as if that’s any better. Bullied by the father and spoiled by the mother is the absolute classic combination to make a disturbed person. Many of the worst psychopaths and dictators in history have just such a background.Its lucky Jake Paul just turned out to be a divisive figure on the Internet really !

Logan I think is almost as damaged but with better coping mechanisms. Partly because he is just more intelligent, partly because the Japan scandal gave him a degree of emotional intelligence he was either missing or hiding before. And he didn’t grow up constantly in his brothers shadow m. Having him as a smarter, stronger and better looking older brother obviously created a whole host of extra neuroses for Jake, no doubt stoked by a father encouraging them to compete to a ludicrous degree.

The Paul’s are an interesting case study because so much of this is out there for all to see.I guess that’s what attracted Shane Dawson to go the route he did (with mixed results).

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Post by ChibiAngel » Thu Nov 28, 2019 5:04 am

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The actual vid was kinda clickbait. He's training with Ryan Garcia and also, since COPPA or whatever he's started up this channel with Tydus (in the vein of Jake and Logan)
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Post by ChibiAngel » Thu Nov 28, 2019 5:37 am

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I think you’re pretty spot on. You don’t have to like Jake to accept his parents really fucked him up - I wouldn’t wish that upbringing on anyone. Where Greg was throwing them down the stairs for misbehaviour, Pam still proudly says “my house was a place they never heard no” - as if that’s any better. Bullied by the father and spoiled by the mother is the absolute classic combination to make a disturbed person. Many of the worst psychopaths and dictators in history have just such a background.Its lucky Jake Paul just turned out to be a divisive figure on the Internet really !

Logan I think is almost as damaged but with better coping mechanisms. Partly because he is just more intelligent, partly because the Japan scandal gave him a degree of emotional intelligence he was either missing or hiding before. And he didn’t grow up constantly in his brothers shadow m. Having him as a smarter, stronger and better looking older brother obviously created a whole host of extra neuroses for Jake, no doubt stoked by a father encouraging them to compete to a ludicrous degree.

The Paul’s are an interesting case study because so much of this is out there for all to see.I guess that’s what attracted Shane Dawson to go the route he did (with mixed results).
I want your opinion on this.

Not trying to start anything...I just don't think Logan is coping at all.
Before Japan he had some bad handlers and now he has Mike, a former addict who is morphing into Logan's surrogate dad/brother.
Which bothers me about Mike because while Mike does do some good...surely he is old enough to be aware of Logan's clingy behavior?
He's 34. I feel like Mike is an enabler with a "need to be needed" complex.

The same with Jake and whomever he has as COO or Talent manager. He defers to them beyond just their occupation. I think that's why he had a hard time getting rid of Adam, because Adam would just talk to him and give pep-talks or whatever. (Yes, everyone can see Adam is kinda self-serving and ill equipped his role but it happens with kid) When a child is starved for an apporpriate role model growing up, they start looking for it in other people when they're adults.

Simply put I think both brothers are co-dependent (Like Kylie Jenner and Jordan)

Also we know three instances with Logan getting hurt at Greg's house

1. Greg throwing them down the stairs (Bella Throne Impaulsive Podcast)
2. Logan saying Greg "Beat his ass" and "fucked him up" (Which parent knows me better)

The third one scares me. It has to do with Logan hitting his head on the trampoline.
I've been debating whether or not his dad pushed him or struck him and used the trampoline as an excuse???

Because in order to hit a kid that hard, where he has permanent bring damage....that takes an excessive effort.
(This third situation is pure speculation)

Lastly, the mom is a nurse and she agreed to let Logan keep playing even after he had the plate in his head?

I don't understand how she could just allow that to continue?
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Looks like he's leaving the platform. https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/j ... be-1292552
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Post by horatio » Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:56 am

ChibiAngel, ill def share my thoughts on Logan coping better with Jake later on, I’m at work at the moment but just wanted to make the quick point -
How telling and relevant to our conversation the neither brother spent thanksgiving with either parent?
Pam I’m guessing was with her new husband and step kids? We don’t hear much from them I’m wondering if Jake and Logan don’t get on with them? Do you know any more?
And the trampoline incident sounds familiar but i can’t remember why, care to fill me in on that too?

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Post by ChibiAngel » Sat Nov 30, 2019 4:25 am

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ChibiAngel, ill def share my thoughts on Logan coping better with Jake later on, I’m at work at the moment but just wanted to make the quick point -
How telling and relevant to our conversation the neither brother spent thanksgiving with either parent?
Pam I’m guessing was with her new husband and step kids? We don’t hear much from them I’m wondering if Jake and Logan don’t get on with them? Do you know any more?
And the trampoline incident sounds familiar but i can’t remember why, care to fill me in on that too?
1. That's a relatively new development. (I haven't tracked their social medias this past week) I know as recent as 1-2yrs ago they were still going back to Ohio for the holiday festivities and such. Honestly, I think it's a good thing. It's an indicator that the brothers are going on with their lives and are starting to draw up some boundaries (hopefully they stick)

2. Pam's husband is a plastic-surgeon (I think??) so she is financially set for life. They don't really consider step-parents/siblings family. Logan has said this on a podcast. Also, it probably has to do with the fact that as soon as Pam/Greg split up...Pam soon got remarried and the dad moved in a girlfriend who had kids. So Logan and Jake never had any kind of consistency. (The relationship between Greg and the aforementioned lady didn't work out)

That revolving door of people in and out of their lives is what they grew up with. Even Jake admits his dad, mom's brother, and dad's brothers all have commitment issues. (Jake Paul Uncut - Episode 1 or 2)

3. When Logan was 10 or 12 he busted his head on a trampoline. The result was brain damage (hence the lack of empathy), a skull fracture and a metal plate.

- What pisses me off is BOTH of the parents went along with him getting into football after this happened. (Football players are known to get concussions from repeated tackles)

I do NOT know if Greg pushed Logan into that trampoline. But it bothers me enough because Logan has admitted TWICE to Greg either beating his ass/fucking him up or pushing him down the stairs.

If Pam is indeed the narc parent (as is suspect) then the reason for not taking custody of the brothers is clear: As long as she left them with Greg she can play good cop/bad cop.

Note: I admit Greg has some issues that need addressing. I just don't think he's the narc parent (who is objectively worse).

This article on Golden Child, Scapegoat and Forgotten Son sum up Logan/Jake I say.

https://randifine.com/broken-sons-of-na ... c-mothers/

I stick by what I said about Logan: He's still looking for a lot of external validation.
Same with Jake honestly.
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Post by horatio » Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:58 pm

Sorry for the slow reply but I have been thinking about it and I did read those character profiles - interesting. Even in a relatively stable family it seems to me birth order can play a huge role in the person you become. And in this family ... well they are the textbook golden boy older son - straight a student and jock , and class clown , not academic younger son perpetually in his brothers shadow. And now even into their adult life in the same career, same city, same goals... at least now Logan is taking a step back from boxing so Jake doesn’t have to be peeking over his shoulder ,blowing cigar smoke into peoples faces and running away...

That kids is always going to be looking for external validation, on that we agree. Logan I think is more complex. Remember in one of the podcasts with Jake they discussed how Jake suffers from anxiety but Logan has never experienced it? They clearly have their upbringing to thank for that. This unquestioned self belief has gotten bigger and bigger in Logan in the last year alongside his boxing training. If he was seeking external validation, or has any self doubt I really don’t think he was aware of it. To his cost, in the end, if you look at how the fight turned out.

I think Logan is in a new phase now. Something like shock followed by denial followed by depression. His character has become increasingly more deflated with each new podcast (haven’t watched the newest one - hopefully Hawaii helped) But the post fight Logan for sure has been in desperate need of validation. He picked a fight with a celebrity at a party? He’s been snapping at mike that he knows nothing about fighting? The episode he was hungover was just dreadful , barely speaking , cut it off after an hour to take a nap , no audio only .... you don’t need to know lots about Logan Paul to know he is usually a manic hard worker and wouldn’t put out sub par content because it makes him look lazy...

It’s notable how much his personality is malleable. The pre Japan Logan I basically think of as a different person - he even looks totally different. And I can’t bear him. But it does suggest parts of him are less genuine than they appear ... and so again, changing your self suffers a need for external validation...all this said I don’t think he’s about to change as much as he did last time.
I think this is all about him accepting his fallibility, that the old “I can do anything I set my mind to if I work hard enough to get there” line just isn’t always true...
Logan Paul grows up pt2?

Interesting you say Logan is the clingy one over mike ?! Or that they are equally. I don’t mind mike, I think he’s fundamentally a good guy. But he’s clearly so insecure about living rent free with someone a decade younger than him and more rich than he’ll ever be... so he talks about the drugs which held him back, he talks about how much he works...but even making his own content he’s still very much Logan’s best friend and he’d be lost and irrelevant without it . Whereas Logan without mike ? Wouldn’t be all that different...

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Post by horatio » Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:19 pm

Sorry to double post after such a long one but what do you know... the new podcast is maybe one of the best ever. The difference between this and the last one could hardly be greater. You can see how much Logan (and mike too) needed a holiday. Seeing them all hyper and giggly and telling endless stories to Spencer that really aren’t the same if you aren’t there but still sweet and really wholesome to see.

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Post by horatio » Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:50 pm

Mike is absolutely on fire in this episode. It could be obnoxious but when you get used to him and realise he doesn’t take himself at all seriously ,it’s hilarious.
And I do like their friendship, it’s sweet. Yes there are negative clingy elements as discussed. But actually I think Logan adores Mike, he’s just less insecure about it. Something about the nature of their friendship feels very rare between men, but reminds me of how a female friendship can be really intense and almost like a love affair. The way they are close, both say they can’t see themselves not living together (even if they also know it won’t last )and mike slept on a pull out bed in Logan’s room in Hawaii (“the pull out bed was the only thing to do that in this room”)

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Post by wildturtle » Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:07 pm

Nah Mike is obnoxious

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Post by rva1 » Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:36 am

Will someone give a I-don't-want-to-give-Jake-a-view-to-watch-this-clickbait recap of this bs "The truth about Alissa Violet" video? He's so transparent it's actually gross.

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Post by molim » Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:29 pm

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Will someone give a I-don't-want-to-give-Jake-a-view-to-watch-this-clickbait recap of this bs "The truth about Alissa Violet" video? He's so transparent it's actually gross.
Its just a video of him explaining the lyrics of his new song coming out on Friday and behind the scenes of the music video filming. Nothing about Alissa and I think it was just for clickbait. He also gave strangers a sneak peek of his new song to listen too without telling them it was him and the reactions were funny as hell.

Jake also has his own new MTV show called BUSTEDness and it sounds like its a spinoff of Rob Dyrdek MTV show ridiculousness. Jake also was the guest on Rob Dyrdekshow ridiculousness this week so Rob must have taken jake under his wings and gave him as show that Robs production company films.


Logan must be really pissed of and jealous that it is going this good for jake despite Logan changing his whole brand to get love back from Hollywood. And this boxing fight he lost that made his loser brand even bigger.

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Post by horatio » Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:25 pm

molim wrote:
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Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:36 am
Will someone give a I-don't-want-to-give-Jake-a-view-to-watch-this-clickbait recap of this bs "The truth about Alissa Violet" video? He's so transparent it's actually gross.
Its just a video of him explaining the lyrics of his new song coming out on Friday and behind the scenes of the music video filming. Nothing about Alissa and I think it was just for clickbait. He also gave strangers a sneak peek of his new song to listen too without telling them it was him and the reactions were funny as hell.
why funny ? Because all of them thought if was really good ,? the lowest anyone gave it was 8/10 . And they were mostly young cool looking people.
The whole video has the vibe of an informercial. Forget the click bait title , it’s essentially “introducing: Jake Paul, the rapper.” There’s even a ‘behind the lyrics’ section. Hearing him rap / sing them is funny tho, it does not sound nice , he is tone deaf. Seriously he is BAD.

He talks about when he was first in LA and Alissa was in Ohio still. He makes sure to mention she was seeing someone else. He says he keeps in touch with his exes mothers when they won’t speak to him and does this little chuckle. He’s trying way to hard to seem the hopeless unlucky in love sweetheart rather than the cold manipulator we know him to be. It’s ridiculous

The kid is great at self promotion I’ll give him that. But nothing about this feels even slightly natural.

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Post by ChibiAngel » Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:50 pm

So according to Erika their makeup was for healing and she indirectly admitted they were toxic.


Also same BS: She went from "Info coming soon" to "You'll find out in 2020" about Gloat/Bia. I get she has brand deals but the incessant vagueness is annoying. Like why mention it at all then if you're not close to releasing it?

She also never addressed if her and Jake were actually friends are not (which Jake did)

This is irksome...here's why....they talk alot without answering anything (basically rehash what's online).

Logan is apparently depressed according to fan accounts.

Jake still gets along with Mike (IDK why???)

Still hangs around Izadi sadly.

He said the Team10 situation is complicated so I wonder if the Caci Twins are even there?
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Post by molim » Wed Dec 11, 2019 1:59 am

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So according to Erika their makeup was for healing and she indirectly admitted they were toxic.


Also same BS: She went from "Info coming soon" to "You'll find out in 2020" about Gloat/Bia. I get she has brand deals but the incessant vagueness is annoying. Like why mention it at all then if you're not close to releasing it?

She also never addressed if her and Jake were actually friends are not (which Jake did)

This is irksome...here's why....they talk alot without answering anything (basically rehash what's online).

Logan is apparently depressed according to fan accounts.

Jake still gets along with Mike (IDK why???)

Still hangs around Izadi sadly.

He said the Team10 situation is complicated so I wonder if the Caci Twins are even there?

Hahaha

You don't travel 2 hours to San Diego and spend 3 days with your ex just 1 day after coming home from your birthday trip to Miami for "healing" :D


She is wearing his shirts none stop

Jake and Erikas relationship was always sex in return for clout and that is what they keep doing now and from 2017.

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Re: Pogan and Pake, Vol. 2

Post by molim » Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:19 am

horatio wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:25 pm
molim wrote:
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Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:36 am
Will someone give a I-don't-want-to-give-Jake-a-view-to-watch-this-clickbait recap of this bs "The truth about Alissa Violet" video? He's so transparent it's actually gross.
Its just a video of him explaining the lyrics of his new song coming out on Friday and behind the scenes of the music video filming. Nothing about Alissa and I think it was just for clickbait. He also gave strangers a sneak peek of his new song to listen too without telling them it was him and the reactions were funny as hell.
why funny ? Because all of them thought if was really good ,? the lowest anyone gave it was 8/10 . And they were mostly young cool looking people.
The whole video has the vibe of an informercial. Forget the click bait title , it’s essentially “introducing: Jake Paul, the rapper.” There’s even a ‘behind the lyrics’ section. Hearing him rap / sing them is funny tho, it does not sound nice , he is tone deaf. Seriously he is BAD.

He talks about when he was first in LA and Alissa was in Ohio still. He makes sure to mention she was seeing someone else. He says he keeps in touch with his exes mothers when they won’t speak to him and does this little chuckle. He’s trying way to hard to seem the hopeless unlucky in love sweetheart rather than the cold manipulator we know him to be. It’s ridiculous

The kid is great at self promotion I’ll give him that. But nothing about this feels even slightly natural.


Ooo Jake is a classic narcissist for sure


It's just very strange how he makes a song about Alissa and not Erika.

which makes you wonder how fake Jerika really was and if there even was any love at all.

I think this will be one of jakes songs that do not do good. He has lost almost 50% of his fans since his last song in march so this flop is gonna hurt his ego big time.

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Re: Pogan and Pake, Vol. 2

Post by ChibiAngel » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:20 pm

I like the song but the video low-key looks like porn. Lyrics are tighter. Smoother. I like it.
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