Caroline TheObnoxiousOversizedChild Hirons PT2

[Guest]

Snail mucin actually isn't "crap", and she is absolutely racist given the way she wrote about "yucky" and "gross" Korean products, while being ok with similarly gross ingredients in Western skincare (there's "crap" pig collagen in those too, as well as shit like crushed beetles and whatnot). You can make anything sound "gross" with the right spin, and it's bizarre that she chose to grind an axe particularly with K-beauty. I agree that there is a weird trend of worshipping anything and everything Korean, which is no better than creepy fetishisation, but that doesn't negate Hirons' super problematic way of talking about Korean skincare and portraying Koreans as animal-abusing weirdoes who smear slime on their face while torturing cute snails.

You may have a point here though. I'm not sure I'd go so far as to call her racist (because as I said before, I think she's an equal opportunities shiller if offered enough money ) but you're right that her anti-Korean line has an icky undercurrent. That is if she does genuinely single Asian products/ingredients in particular out for this beef whilst ignoring other 'disgusting' ingredients. I think her main tack may just be the faddy fashion element of KBeauty though which I think she's right for criticising. Does she treat JBeauty (and even just non-western products in general) with the same disdain as she does KBeauty because unless she's ragging on all Asian skincare etc. I don't think we can call her racist (Unless she has a *very* singular anti-Korean-specifically racism ) The more I read your comment though, the more I think these things sound like things she'd say with no problem on sm and that does make me a tad uncomfortable.

I don't think J beauty maybe has the same visibility, not that it isn't massive, but I can imagine it was more in response to viewers writing in wanting to know her thoughts about sheet masks, snail extract etc which is more associated with K beauty. Honestly to me it does seem so regressive to hype a product because it has 'contains animal' in the title, or single use products, it's such a stark contrast to the move towards more vegan certified products, criticising the companies that animal test, and over packaging, let alone the evidence that these products do anything special is non-existent. Is she a bit of a hypocrite, well obviously, as she acts as a sales person for many brands that animal test and aren't vegan. She could boycott or criticise brands which are more dominant in the UK market like Clinique, Clarins etc but she doesn't, it's probably easier for her to negatively criticise latest fads (to the UK market where they have only been a recent development) than brands she is contracted with, or views as being more familiar to her audience. And yes, at the end of the day, snail mucin is 'gross' any exploitation of animals, especially when we have so many alternatives is 'gross'.

Caroline is a sales person, she doesn't offer much info, and shills shills shills, she only has one face so it would be near impossible to test everything out properly. She is very dominant when conversing, and I do feel despite Joe making sleazy out of order comments, her retort that 'his wife saves hm as needle dick in her phone' was immature and rising to his level. But she's not racist for being dismissive of K beauty's animal exploitation and waste. I have used and use K beauty products, but it is hard to find some with the same ethical standards we take for granted in the EU.

[WORDSALAD]

Lol I think everyone is right here honestly to some degree! With someone like caroline though.... It's kinda never gonna be as deep as racism tbh (not that racism is deep but.... You get me). I think she's at her core just pissed off people are hyping stuff she doesn't get paid for reviewing. She's a loudmouth gobshite so goes off on one on sm about all sorts and her Ranting and raving about icky Korean ingredients etc. Is just an extension of this behaviour - she'd do it to anything she wasn't getting paid to shill. (I'm sure I've heard her declare that face wipes are 'disgusting' etc. Etc. Too)
So it's kinda like..... a stopped clock is right twice a day. I agree with some of the underlying points of her criticisms but I don't think she's acrually criticising *because* of those points. Does that even make sense?

[Heyholetsgo]

Not gonna lie i went in on her regarding her joe rogan rant. Im fucking tired of these fat, ugly middle aged women with nothing better to do sitting there and inflating and deflating the kardashians market value. Last week decidedly they sucked because they give girls unrealistic body goals, this week they are okay because how dare a man say the same thing. Gtfo with that shit

[tadahhhhh]

Yeah I don’t really understand the logic behind Caroline’s argument. I don’t get why the Kardashians/Jenners should be applauded - because they’re basically rich women? I don’t love Joe Rogan but I get what he was saying. I think women who pump their bodies full of filler and other toxins are gross. That picture of Iggy Azealas ass jiggling is disgusting. These are not naturally curvaceous women, they’re gross because of all the cosmetic procedures they get. For some reason this types of cosmetic surgery has become so normalised in our culture now. It’s no big deal to get ass implants which I personally think is incredibly dangerous, especially to all the young girls who idolise women like Azeala

I don’t think you’re a misogynist for pointing how hideous women with fake asses are. And of course Caroline would defend Jenner. Her skincare is a total joke. Shitty over priced products that no one in their right mind would ever look twice if they had a different brand name.

[jiggy_girl]

Every time I see Caroline's videos pop up on my YouTube, I get (possibly irrationally) angry. When I was a teen (up until the age of 18 really), I struggled with my skin. I had horrendous spots, was oily, couldn't even LOOK at a mask without breaking out. At age 13-ish, I contacted her online, and by some miracle (I thought), she replied. I followed the regime she set me for five years, and my skin never improved. Eventually, all that worked for me was a Benzoyl Peroxide wash (prescribed), and the Clinque anti-blemish solution range of products. Now, I am pretty mush spot free, but her regime never worked. She only exists to shill products and to sell people the things she works on.

[gemh94]

Every time I see Caroline's videos pop up on my YouTube, I get (possibly irrationally) angry. When I was a teen (up until the age of 18 really), I struggled with my skin. I had horrendous spots, was oily, couldn't even LOOK at a mask without breaking out. At age 13-ish, I contacted her online, and by some miracle (I thought), she replied. I followed the regime she set me for five years, and my skin never improved. Eventually, all that worked for me was a Benzoyl Peroxide wash (prescribed), and the Clinque anti-blemish solution range of products. Now, I am pretty mush spot free, but her regime never worked. She only exists to shill products and to sell people the things she works on.

I had a similar experience myself, following her rule of "having at least 3 cleansers in rotation", double cleansing with a hot wet wash cloth (hello eczema and even angrier spots!), acid toning like there is no tomorrow and hardly ever mentioning the word Sunscreen. I was too young, desperate and naive to question her "recommendations" which are nothing more than just trying to sell you whatever brand is paying her ATM. After years I eventually cleared up my acne and angry reactive skin, with a basic La Roche Posay cleanser, an Avene moisturiser, prescription Tretinoin and Azelaic Acid, and daily SPF.

I really feel sorry for all the people that fall for her this glorified sales woman's tactics, but as soon as you question her advice you get either bullied by Caroline herself or her deluded minions.

[yhorm sanchez]

Every time I see Caroline's videos pop up on my YouTube, I get (possibly irrationally) angry. When I was a teen (up until the age of 18 really), I struggled with my skin. I had horrendous spots, was oily, couldn't even LOOK at a mask without breaking out. At age 13-ish, I contacted her online, and by some miracle (I thought), she replied. I followed the regime she set me for five years, and my skin never improved. Eventually, all that worked for me was a Benzoyl Peroxide wash (prescribed), and the Clinque anti-blemish solution range of products. Now, I am pretty mush spot free, but her regime never worked. She only exists to shill products and to sell people the things she works on.

I had a similar experience myself, following her rule of "having at least 3 cleansers in rotation", double cleansing with a hot wet wash cloth (hello eczema and even angrier spots!), acid toning like there is no tomorrow and hardly ever mentioning the word Sunscreen. I was too young, desperate and naive to question her "recommendations" which are nothing more than just trying to sell you whatever brand is paying her ATM. After years I eventually cleared up my acne and angry reactive skin, with a basic La Roche Posay cleanser, an Avene moisturiser, prescription Tretinoin and Azelaic Acid, and daily SPF.

I really feel sorry for all the people that fall for her this glorified sales woman's tactics, but as soon as you question her advice you get either bullied by Caroline herself or her deluded minions.

Oh my god, her preaching about cleansing with a washcloth RUINED my skin!!! I have extremely sensitive skin and broke out horribly everytime I did it!

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[gemh94]

How on earth can she think that her hair looks ok in someway!!?

[WORDSALAD]

^^ I mean. Is this the woman you want advertising your skincare/makeup? REALLY?

[Coco Lux]

Her face gets worse every time I see it. Facialist my ass!


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[Guest]

Every time I see Caroline's videos pop up on my YouTube, I get (possibly irrationally) angry. When I was a teen (up until the age of 18 really), I struggled with my skin. I had horrendous spots, was oily, couldn't even LOOK at a mask without breaking out. At age 13-ish, I contacted her online, and by some miracle (I thought), she replied. I followed the regime she set me for five years, and my skin never improved. Eventually, all that worked for me was a Benzoyl Peroxide wash (prescribed), and the Clinque anti-blemish solution range of products. Now, I am pretty mush spot free, but her regime never worked. She only exists to shill products and to sell people the things she works on.

I had a similar experience myself, following her rule of "having at least 3 cleansers in rotation", double cleansing with a hot wet wash cloth (hello eczema and even angrier spots!), acid toning like there is no tomorrow and hardly ever mentioning the word Sunscreen. I was too young, desperate and naive to question her "recommendations" which are nothing more than just trying to sell you whatever brand is paying her ATM. After years I eventually cleared up my acne and angry reactive skin, with a basic La Roche Posay cleanser, an Avene moisturiser, prescription Tretinoin and Azelaic Acid, and daily SPF.

I really feel sorry for all the people that fall for her this glorified sales woman's tactics, but as soon as you question her advice you get either bullied by Caroline herself or her deluded minions.

Lol, I still don't get what the "hot cloth/flannel" buzz is. Here it's called a towel or face towel but that's the least issue. Surely the method of cleansing is wet face, apply cleanser, wet fingers/palms and rinse face clean... then use a dry towel to pat dry the skin. What does the "hot" actually mean? Warming up on a radiator, drenching in hot water? I know Liz Earle has a hot cloth method with scratchy muslins too. Yes too lazy to google, but wiping away product with a towel rather than just drying a clean face with it, seems a bit much.

[GuruG]

Every time I see Caroline's videos pop up on my YouTube, I get (possibly irrationally) angry. When I was a teen (up until the age of 18 really), I struggled with my skin. I had horrendous spots, was oily, couldn't even LOOK at a mask without breaking out. At age 13-ish, I contacted her online, and by some miracle (I thought), she replied. I followed the regime she set me for five years, and my skin never improved. Eventually, all that worked for me was a Benzoyl Peroxide wash (prescribed), and the Clinque anti-blemish solution range of products. Now, I am pretty mush spot free, but her regime never worked. She only exists to shill products and to sell people the things she works on.

I had a similar experience myself, following her rule of "having at least 3 cleansers in rotation", double cleansing with a hot wet wash cloth (hello eczema and even angrier spots!), acid toning like there is no tomorrow and hardly ever mentioning the word Sunscreen. I was too young, desperate and naive to question her "recommendations" which are nothing more than just trying to sell you whatever brand is paying her ATM. After years I eventually cleared up my acne and angry reactive skin, with a basic La Roche Posay cleanser, an Avene moisturiser, prescription Tretinoin and Azelaic Acid, and daily SPF.

I really feel sorry for all the people that fall for her this glorified sales woman's tactics, but as soon as you question her advice you get either bullied by Caroline herself or her deluded minions.

Lol, I still don't get what the "hot cloth/flannel" buzz is. Here it's called a towel or face towel but that's the least issue. Surely the method of cleansing is wet face, apply cleanser, wet fingers/palms and rinse face clean... then use a dry towel to pat dry the skin. What does the "hot" actually mean? Warming up on a radiator, drenching in hot water? I know Liz Earle has a hot cloth method with scratchy muslins too. Yes too lazy to google, but wiping away product with a towel rather than just drying a clean face with it, seems a bit much.

I'm not sure what Caroline means by "hot cloth" method, but I personally tried a hot cloth and oil method and it has worked wonders for me. I have pretty sensitive skin prone to breakouts, so tried many different cleansers, most recent being the cerave gentle cleanser, and it was just alright, I still had problems. Anyway, so the method is like this: apply the oil of choice (I use the Ordinary Hemi-squalane, it's very light and gentl), massage very gently over your entire face (don't over massage, this is important!), take a clean soft cloth, soak in tap water as hot as you can tolerate, and gently wipe the face with it a couple of times. Pat dry. That's it. Honestly, works amazing! Especially great for removing makeup or heavy sunscreen.

Now what I found incredibly damaging for my skin out of her arsenal of skincare advices is the pimple-popping cheat-sheet.. ended up with a full on chemical burn, it took weeks to repair!! She is such a charlatan!!

[Guest]

Every time I see Caroline's videos pop up on my YouTube, I get (possibly irrationally) angry. When I was a teen (up until the age of 18 really), I struggled with my skin. I had horrendous spots, was oily, couldn't even LOOK at a mask without breaking out. At age 13-ish, I contacted her online, and by some miracle (I thought), she replied. I followed the regime she set me for five years, and my skin never improved. Eventually, all that worked for me was a Benzoyl Peroxide wash (prescribed), and the Clinque anti-blemish solution range of products. Now, I am pretty mush spot free, but her regime never worked. She only exists to shill products and to sell people the things she works on.

I had a similar experience myself, following her rule of "having at least 3 cleansers in rotation", double cleansing with a hot wet wash cloth (hello eczema and even angrier spots!), acid toning like there is no tomorrow and hardly ever mentioning the word Sunscreen. I was too young, desperate and naive to question her "recommendations" which are nothing more than just trying to sell you whatever brand is paying her ATM. After years I eventually cleared up my acne and angry reactive skin, with a basic La Roche Posay cleanser, an Avene moisturiser, prescription Tretinoin and Azelaic Acid, and daily SPF.

I really feel sorry for all the people that fall for her this glorified sales woman's tactics, but as soon as you question her advice you get either bullied by Caroline herself or her deluded minions.

Lol, I still don't get what the "hot cloth/flannel" buzz is. Here it's called a towel or face towel but that's the least issue. Surely the method of cleansing is wet face, apply cleanser, wet fingers/palms and rinse face clean... then use a dry towel to pat dry the skin. What does the "hot" actually mean? Warming up on a radiator, drenching in hot water? I know Liz Earle has a hot cloth method with scratchy muslins too. Yes too lazy to google, but wiping away product with a towel rather than just drying a clean face with it, seems a bit much.

I'm not sure what Caroline means by "hot cloth" method, but I personally tried a hot cloth and oil method and it has worked wonders for me. I have pretty sensitive skin prone to breakouts, so tried many different cleansers, most recent being the cerave gentle cleanser, and it was just alright, I still had problems. Anyway, so the method is like this: apply the oil of choice (I use the Ordinary Hemi-squalane, it's very light and gentl), massage very gently over your entire face (don't over massage, this is important!), take a clean soft cloth, soak in tap water as hot as you can tolerate, and gently wipe the face with it a couple of times. Pat dry. That's it. Honestly, works amazing! Especially great for removing makeup or heavy sunscreen.

Now what I found incredibly damaging for my skin out of her arsenal of skincare advices is the pimple-popping cheat-sheet.. ended up with a full on chemical burn, it took weeks to repair!! She is such a charlatan!!

Thanks, I agree sometimes a simple routine works best. And at the end of the day, everybody is different so a one size fits all recommendation, especially when she starts bringing up supplements & food, isn't the best. Other skincare gurus usually stress that their routines work for them, their bodies, their budgets and climates etc rather than think you can give strict routines to strangers. I do feel she underestimates just how sensitive and prone to reaction people are with chemical exfoliants, even those in low doses can end up causing painful breakouts and dry skin.

[AmyRita]

Every time I see Caroline's videos pop up on my YouTube, I get (possibly irrationally) angry. When I was a teen (up until the age of 18 really), I struggled with my skin. I had horrendous spots, was oily, couldn't even LOOK at a mask without breaking out. At age 13-ish, I contacted her online, and by some miracle (I thought), she replied. I followed the regime she set me for five years, and my skin never improved. Eventually, all that worked for me was a Benzoyl Peroxide wash (prescribed), and the Clinque anti-blemish solution range of products. Now, I am pretty mush spot free, but her regime never worked. She only exists to shill products and to sell people the things she works on.

I had a similar experience myself, following her rule of "having at least 3 cleansers in rotation", double cleansing with a hot wet wash cloth (hello eczema and even angrier spots!), acid toning like there is no tomorrow and hardly ever mentioning the word Sunscreen. I was too young, desperate and naive to question her "recommendations" which are nothing more than just trying to sell you whatever brand is paying her ATM. After years I eventually cleared up my acne and angry reactive skin, with a basic La Roche Posay cleanser, an Avene moisturiser, prescription Tretinoin and Azelaic Acid, and daily SPF.

I really feel sorry for all the people that fall for her this glorified sales woman's tactics, but as soon as you question her advice you get either bullied by Caroline herself or her deluded minions.

Lol, I still don't get what the "hot cloth/flannel" buzz is. Here it's called a towel or face towel but that's the least issue. Surely the method of cleansing is wet face, apply cleanser, wet fingers/palms and rinse face clean... then use a dry towel to pat dry the skin. What does the "hot" actually mean? Warming up on a radiator, drenching in hot water? I know Liz Earle has a hot cloth method with scratchy muslins too. Yes too lazy to google, but wiping away product with a towel rather than just drying a clean face with it, seems a bit much.

I'm not sure what Caroline means by "hot cloth" method, but I personally tried a hot cloth and oil method and it has worked wonders for me. I have pretty sensitive skin prone to breakouts, so tried many different cleansers, most recent being the cerave gentle cleanser, and it was just alright, I still had problems. Anyway, so the method is like this: apply the oil of choice (I use the Ordinary Hemi-squalane, it's very light and gentl), massage very gently over your entire face (don't over massage, this is important!), take a clean soft cloth, soak in tap water as hot as you can tolerate, and gently wipe the face with it a couple of times. Pat dry. That's it. Honestly, works amazing! Especially great for removing makeup or heavy sunscreen.

Now what I found incredibly damaging for my skin out of her arsenal of skincare advices is the pimple-popping cheat-sheet.. ended up with a full on chemical burn, it took weeks to repair!! She is such a charlatan!!

Thanks, I agree sometimes a simple routine works best. And at the end of the day, everybody is different so a one size fits all recommendation, especially when she starts bringing up supplements & food, isn't the best. Other skincare gurus usually stress that their routines work for them, their bodies, their budgets and climates etc rather than think you can give strict routines to strangers. I do feel she underestimates just how sensitive and prone to reaction people are with chemical exfoliants, even those in low doses can end up causing painful breakouts and dry skin.

Wait... people are taking diet/supplement advise from Caroline now? Skincare advise was bad enough. I remember reading on her website that she’s “trained in brands”. Also, she doesn’t like it when people wash their faces in the shower. Is this a UK vs US shower head thing? I don’t see why she would have a problem with this if people turned down the temperature/didn’t take very hot showers.

[WORDSALAD]

^^^ I wash my face in the shower every day and my skin is honestly better than Caroline's. And I use cheap skincare to boot! Hear that Caroline - CHEAP SKINCARE!!!

I don't know where this woman gets most of the 'advice' she gives but most of it smells strongly of whatever she plucked out of her arse that day.

[SammieG]

..plucked out of her ass, and whoever is paying her: #presssamples #ad

[AmyRita]

^^^ I wash my face in the shower every day and my skin is honestly better than Caroline's. And I use cheap skincare to boot! Hear that Caroline - CHEAP SKINCARE!!!

I don't know where this woman gets most of the 'advice' she gives but most of it smells strongly of whatever she plucked out of her arse that day.

It’s probably better than tugging vigorously with a washcloth and going in 2x a day with glycolic acid and no sunscreen. Now that I think about it, she may change her mind if she can do a sponsored post with the local water company.

[Guest]

I had a similar experience myself, following her rule of "having at least 3 cleansers in rotation", double cleansing with a hot wet wash cloth (hello eczema and even angrier spots!), acid toning like there is no tomorrow and hardly ever mentioning the word Sunscreen. I was too young, desperate and naive to question her "recommendations" which are nothing more than just trying to sell you whatever brand is paying her ATM. After years I eventually cleared up my acne and angry reactive skin, with a basic La Roche Posay cleanser, an Avene moisturiser, prescription Tretinoin and Azelaic Acid, and daily SPF.

I really feel sorry for all the people that fall for her this glorified sales woman's tactics, but as soon as you question her advice you get either bullied by Caroline herself or her deluded minions.

Lol, I still don't get what the "hot cloth/flannel" buzz is. Here it's called a towel or face towel but that's the least issue. Surely the method of cleansing is wet face, apply cleanser, wet fingers/palms and rinse face clean... then use a dry towel to pat dry the skin. What does the "hot" actually mean? Warming up on a radiator, drenching in hot water? I know Liz Earle has a hot cloth method with scratchy muslins too. Yes too lazy to google, but wiping away product with a towel rather than just drying a clean face with it, seems a bit much.

I'm not sure what Caroline means by "hot cloth" method, but I personally tried a hot cloth and oil method and it has worked wonders for me. I have pretty sensitive skin prone to breakouts, so tried many different cleansers, most recent being the cerave gentle cleanser, and it was just alright, I still had problems. Anyway, so the method is like this: apply the oil of choice (I use the Ordinary Hemi-squalane, it's very light and gentl), massage very gently over your entire face (don't over massage, this is important!), take a clean soft cloth, soak in tap water as hot as you can tolerate, and gently wipe the face with it a couple of times. Pat dry. That's it. Honestly, works amazing! Especially great for removing makeup or heavy sunscreen.

Now what I found incredibly damaging for my skin out of her arsenal of skincare advices is the pimple-popping cheat-sheet.. ended up with a full on chemical burn, it took weeks to repair!! She is such a charlatan!!

Thanks, I agree sometimes a simple routine works best. And at the end of the day, everybody is different so a one size fits all recommendation, especially when she starts bringing up supplements & food, isn't the best. Other skincare gurus usually stress that their routines work for them, their bodies, their budgets and climates etc rather than think you can give strict routines to strangers. I do feel she underestimates just how sensitive and prone to reaction people are with chemical exfoliants, even those in low doses can end up causing painful breakouts and dry skin.

Wait... people are taking diet/supplement advise from Caroline now? Skincare advise was bad enough. I remember reading on her website that she’s “trained in brands”. Also, she doesn’t like it when people wash their faces in the shower. Is this a UK vs US shower head thing? I don’t see why she would have a problem with this if people turned down the temperature/didn’t take very hot showers.

The cheat sheets often have food/tablet recommendations. I don't think the shower face cleansing is cultural, more Caroline's own opinion. Don't see what's particularly wrong with cleansing in the shower, it's not as if people are running scolding hot water, presumably you could do the infamous double cleansing too.

[Evil_robot]

I personally get really bad acne from glycolic acid, although every youtube guru out there is obsessed with it and puts it into every damn video recommendation.
so I use lactid acid and it's the best, but I use it only once a week, because I have combination sensitive skin. if I use acid every day, even simply in a toner, my skin will be dry and will fall off in patches, no joke.

[agirlwillbequeen]

It's the eyelashes I can't stand, I don't understand why she has them when she oil/balm cleanses. They ruin them and it shows because they're so gappy and uneven plus so ageing because they overtake her eyes. I don't know why she insists on her hair being so bleach blonde it's clearly f*ked and embracing it whilst calling yourself Rod Stewart is just annoying.
As for her recommendations, if they don't work for you it's because no-ones skin is the same so it's really hard to help the masses. If you go to a dermatologist they will do some trial and error before you find the right combination.