getinmymachine wrote:hxgsandkxssxs wrote:getinmymachine wrote:Rubytadpole wrote:hxgsandkxssxs wrote:To look at a 1980s book with a 2018 lens is illogical. Even some early 2000s books would be deemed unacceptable by todays standards. To throw a fit about it is like erasing the historical and cultural context from which that book was born. People WERE more ignorant back then, and I’m pretty sure that the hyper-sensitivity plaguing us now is not too great either.
Still cannot believe The Black Witch was burned at the stake for nothing more than a chain of misunderstood, misdirected anger. Can people not write about sensitive subjects anymore? Does every character have to be a sanctimonious angel?
Agreed. And it goes the other way too.
The Austentatious Book Club (that was Zoe, Hannah, Natasha, Joce, and Maureen) discussed Little Women and thought Jo March might be transgender. But they completely ignored the historical context of the book which was so frustrating.
I see that come up a lot with George from the Famous Five. It can be interesting to discuss these things, or even have your own headcanons about fictional characters, especially when the author is long dead. Someone's personal interpretation of a story doesn't affect anyone else. But if we're talking author's intent... if the book had been written in this decade, who knows? But it wasn't, so mayyybe they're just tomboys.
Suspecting every tomboy character of being trans is kind of narrow-minded as well. What they're saying is "this person doesn't act and dress feminine so they must be a boy" like don't you all want to abolish traditional gender roles so bad?
It’s lovely that today’s book feature a larger proportion of PoC and LGBTQ+ characters, but it does seem a little confusing to me that so many people believe that such liberations could have been reality back in the 1800s. It’s not a pleasant truth, but it is the truth nonetheless. I read The Secret Garden recently and was a little disturbed at the way the author wrote about Indian characters, but I know I had to shake it off and read on because the book is from a time of ignorance and prejudice.
Also, what do people think about J.K. Rowling changing characters after the books were published? Her own drawings of the characters from when she was writing the books, for example, depict Hermione to be white, and Dean is explicitly coloured to be black. I actually really like that Hermione in Cursed Child was played by a Black woman, but I did think it was a bit deceitful to say that Hermione was never supposed to be white. I would love to see Rowling potray a wider array of diverse characters in her newer books written under Robert Galbraith, but changing the characters from what she had always thought them to be makes me feel a little funny. They were written in the 90s, of course there wasn’t as much awareness as there is today and I can’t blame her for it.
I also read The Secret Garden recently and almost mentioned it in my previous post, what a weird coincidence! I wouldn't want the racism in it santised away, because in a way I think it's good to have that cringe moment, it reminds us that we can do better now. I don't know if that makes sense.
And I agree with everying re: Hermione. I think it's great that she was played by a black actress, but I don't appreciate JKR almost acting like we were all racists for imagining her as white when she clearly wrote her as white, drew her white in one of her early sketches, and also allowed her to be played by Emma Watson. Yes, her skin colour isn't mentioned, but I don't believe she was ever intended to be black.
Her habit of retroactively changing characters is very annoying. You had your chance, you didn't put it in the book, now leave it alone. To someone who never reads an interview or looks at her Twitter, Dumbledore is de facto not gay.
I completely agree - I actually think Rowling had a sufficiently proportionate number of people of colou in her books in the first place. Harry’s first love interest was Cho Chang, and Dean Thomas, Lee Jordan, Angelina Johnson, Padma & Parvati Patil and Kingsley Shacklebolt were obviously PoC. I’m an ethnic minority living in the UK too and it is nothing but the truth that the majority is comprised by white people - and there is nothing wrong with that.
I’ve read quite a few comments just now before posting this comment to get a better understanding, and I am shocked at the things people are writing: apparently Rowling wrote a “eurocentric” story and it made a Reddit user uncomfortable that PoC were described as being PoC when white people weren’t described as white, as it was a given that a character would be white. Well, the UK IS in Europe and if Rowling never described any of her characters as being PoC imagine the criticism she would have got now?
But that doesn’t mean she should be pandering to the utter ridiculousness that is present-day social media. Changing ethnicities of characters as though shoe-horning them in a story does no justice to diversity at all. I love and advocate for racial and sexual diversity but I don’t like the current culture, not a single bit. If Mia Thermopolis were to write a book set in Genovia there is a 95% chance the cast of characters would have a majority of ethnic Genovians and
there is nothing wrong with that. OF COURSE there should be diversirty for the sake of diversity but Rowling is being deceitful and I wish she would leave te series as it is, it’s reflective of 90s British society and thay is the standard by which we should judge it.