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Off Topic: Whatever happened to her being Buddhist? She said it once randomly that she was and then never mentioned it again. I kinda find that odd. Most people don't switch their religion on a whim. I wouldn't be surprised if she suddenly claims to be Muslim.

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after she came back from Morocco she said she doesnt like long dresses, I dont think she can be a Muslim since Muslim cover themselves from head to toe :roll:
also the book she was highlighting each video was a Buddha book ( or at least thats whats written in the description )
so I think thats all what we`ll ever see or hear from that Buddah phase
maybe she said that because in Buddhism you shouldnt harm animals and theyre vegetarians and it`ll make her look cool :? ?

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Buddhism is a trend right now. Every hipster/tumblr girl is claiming buddhism.

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damn, this thread is so 'triggering'.

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KittyGussip wrote:Muslim cover themselves from head to toe :roll:
Offtopic: lol whaat... this is wrong

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Honestly I am not convinced that a specialist has diagnosed her... just the fact that she felt the need to constantly repeat that over and over. I do not know much about OCD so excuse my ignorance but could someone with OCD, as severe as she says hers is, really walk around in those dirty sweaters she would wear around the house when she was with Anthony?

Perhaps she is like me and she has bad anxiety which causes me to go on huge sprees deleting everything from my Facebook. I do not call that OCD because for me at least it is not, I call that bad confidence and anxiety lol

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Correct if I'm wrong but did she just make a whole video about quitting YouTube to sum it up with - "I'll probably vlog today since I haven't shown you my apartment yet"?

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^ lmao I can't with this girl :rofl:
Voting for the next thread title to be "The Quittin' Kitten"

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Or "Kalel Quittin"

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KittyGussip wrote:^
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WHAT ?! I didnt know he had OCD ! I love this Guy !!!
I googled "ocd youtubers" and he didnt appear, so I bet youre right... he doesnt talk about it :o
but you just proven my point, OCD doenst stop your life, lazyness does
P.S. now she`ll tweet how she respect him because she is reading here :roll:
I know! It's something that he keeps very quiet. He first mentioned it in a vlogbrothers video years and years ago (like...pre-2010, I think), and he will occasionally mention it when it's necessary, but I really respect how he doesn't let it define him. I think he last mentioned it when he was a guest on Just Between Us, as he was empathizing with one of the stars, Allison (who also has OCD). It's really inspiring to see a youtuber with mental illness who just deals with it, and gets on with his work. :)

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Weird Vagina wrote:
KittyGussip wrote:Muslim cover themselves from head to toe :roll:
Offtopic: lol whaat... this is wrong
DUDE ! I didnt mean it like that XD
its not like theyre Batman , but they wear head scarf "or Hijab" and long sleeved clothes :)

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Fallenrise wrote:
Wishx23 wrote:Now, to get to her OCD... reveal: first, I want to say that she is thoroughly privileged. Honestly, there's no denying that. However, I do think that there is something mentally... um, amiss with her. I'm just not sure that OCD is it. It just felt like she was whitewashing her own problems. The entire time she was sitting there talking about how she has to make lists and delete things (and I have deleting compulsions, too, for the record) I couldn't help but think that her problems sound kind of... cute.
Yeah, there's definitely more going on with her than just possibly OCD. Whenever she describes her issues (and I've been watching her for years), I always got the feeling that underneath it all, she was secretly enjoying announcing it to the world (she's done it so many times). She hardly ever looks sad or ashamed while saying it, and would often go into things with great detail and emotion. I feel like she does it with an air of trying to elicit the most sympathy and attention possible.

Without saying that she definitely has it, I think that she has many elements of Histrionic Personality Disorder... It's characterized by a "long-standing pattern of attention seeking behavior and extreme emotionality." She often exaggerates things, and her slaughter house analogy is a good example of it. If you were following her during the start of the year - she also admitted to this tendency, when telling the story about how she met Cyrus.

From WebMD: "Their self-esteem depends on the approval of others and does not arise from a true feeling of self-worth. They have an overwhelming desire to be noticed, and often behave dramatically or inappropriately to get attention."

Here's a few more notable points about HPD that I think relate to Kalel:

- Act very dramatically, as though performing before an audience, with exaggerated emotions and expressions, yet appears to lack sincerity
- Be overly concerned with physical appearance
- Constantly seek reassurance or approval
- Be gullible and easily influenced by others
- Be excessively sensitive to criticism or disapproval
- Have a low tolerance for frustration and be easily bored by routine, often beginning projects without finishing them or skipping from one event to another
- Be self-centered and rarely show concern for others
- Have difficulty maintaining relationships, often seeming fake or shallow in their dealings with others

(This list does not include everything, so I would suggest reading more about it if you're interested, and you can draw your own conclusions).

I also looked up Reddit AMAs of people with the disorder, and it was interesting to see some of their similarities to Kalel... the tendency to lie, overshare, make a list, obsess over physical appearance, have extreme ways of thinking, have manipulative and OCD tendencies...

I have also done some research on Borderline Personality Disorder, and I think that she has some aspects of that, too. "People with BPD are often uncertain about who they are. As a result, their interests and values can change rapidly." She obviously doesn't have a stable sense of identity, with all of the phases that she has been through.

Lastly, I read this passage on a blog from someone with BPD and thought that it was particularly applicable to Kalel:

"One of the biggest and most challenging aspects of Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD) is often ‘The Chameleon Effect’ – or ‘mirroring’. This is the constant, unconscious change in the person’s ‘self’, as they struggle to fit in with their environment, or the people around them. It is, essentially, a fluctuating identity. It is the manifestation of a basic inability or difficulty in establishing a stable sense of self."

If you want to read more, it's interesting but actually quite sad:
https://sjmyles79.wordpress.com/2013/07 ... on-effect/
As someone who has worked with people who have BPD in a professional capacity, Kalel definitely does not seem to exhibit its characteristic features. BPD is one of those diagnoses that, on paper, seem to be applicable to almost anyone who has mood swings or relationship difficulties. When you see it in patients, however, it is actually a very specific and characteristic illness that has more in common with PTSD or Bipolar Disorder than it does with other PDs (hence the debate in the psychiatric community as to whether Borderlibe is even a personality disorder at all, or whether it should be renamed and filed under mood/anxiety disorders).

As to what Kalel's diagnosis is...as I said elsewhere, it's impossible to say just from her videos. I just wanted to step in and make that note about Borderline PD however, as it is frequently misunderstood and people assume it to be similar to Kalel's manipulative/attention-seeking behaviour, when really it is quite different. This misunderstanding contributes to the insane stigma that Borderlines face even from psych professionals, and so it's important to myth-bust misunderstandings of BPD when they crop up.



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ladyandtramplove wrote:Honestly I am not convinced that a specialist has diagnosed her... just the fact that she felt the need to constantly repeat that over and over. I do not know much about OCD so excuse my ignorance but could someone with OCD, as severe as she says hers is, really walk around in those dirty sweaters she would wear around the house when she was with Anthony?

Perhaps she is like me and she has bad anxiety which causes me to go on huge sprees deleting everything from my Facebook. I do not call that OCD because for me at least it is not, I call that bad confidence and anxiety lol
It is a bit of a misconception that every OCD person is obsessed with cleanliness. Cleanliness/germs/contamination is a type of obsession in OCD, but there are a lot of other obsessions as well. I knew a girl whose obsession was fires - she was terrified that her house would catch on fire and kill her/her dog. The compulsions associated with this obsession was that she would buy a million fire extinguishers for her house, have a bunch of rituals associated with using the dryer, or would sometimes call the fire dept out because she thought she smelled gas/smoke. I know of another case in which a person had obsessive thoughts about harming other people, and would avoid others as a result. Another common non-cleanliness obsession, too, is having to do something a number of times to stop something bad happening - eg, having to lock and unlock the door seven times to stop someone from breaking in. People with non-cleanliness obsessions like these could live in filth or wear dirty clothes, because their OCD is about something else. A great example, actually, is hoarding - hoarding is an OCD-spectrum disorder because it is an obsession with losing or being without something, and a compulsion (never throwing things away) that soothes that, but often leads to very dirty home conditions.

The main feature of OCD is that the person has an obsession that causes anxiety (eg. house fires), and a compulsion that soothes that anxiety (eg. buying fire extinguishers), and these obsessions/compulsions cause distress and loss of functioning. Within those parameters, you can technically be obsessed with anything.

Hope that helps clarify. :)

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cheezupie wrote:Correct if I'm wrong but did she just make a whole video about quitting YouTube to sum it up with - "I'll probably vlog today since I haven't shown you my apartment yet"?
It's like the time she made a whole video saying "Youtube is holding me back", then the next day she and Anthony started WatchUsLiveandStuff.....

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Where is her apartment vlog :? ?

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ladyandtramplove wrote:Honestly I am not convinced that a specialist has diagnosed her... just the fact that she felt the need to constantly repeat that over and over. I do not know much about OCD so excuse my ignorance but could someone with OCD, as severe as she says hers is, really walk around in those dirty sweaters she would wear around the house when she was with Anthony?

Perhaps she is like me and she has bad anxiety which causes me to go on huge sprees deleting everything from my Facebook. I do not call that OCD because for me at least it is not, I call that bad confidence and anxiety lol
It is a bit of a misconception that every OCD person is obsessed with cleanliness. Cleanliness/germs/contamination is a type of obsession in OCD, but there are a lot of other obsessions as well. I knew a girl whose obsession was fires - she was terrified that her house would catch on fire and kill her/her dog. The compulsions associated with this obsession was that she would buy a million fire extinguishers for her house, have a bunch of rituals associated with using the dryer, or would sometimes call the fire dept out because she thought she smelled gas/smoke. I know of another case in which a person had obsessive thoughts about harming other people, and would avoid others as a result. Another common non-cleanliness obsession, too, is having to do something a number of times to stop something bad happening - eg, having to lock and unlock the door seven times to stop someone from breaking in. People with non-cleanliness obsessions like these could live in filth or wear dirty clothes, because their OCD is about something else. A great example, actually, is hoarding - hoarding is an OCD-spectrum disorder because it is an obsession with losing or being without something, and a compulsion (never throwing things away) that soothes that, but often leads to very dirty home conditions.

The main feature of OCD is that the person has an obsession that causes anxiety (eg. house fires), and a compulsion that soothes that anxiety (eg. buying fire extinguishers), and these obsessions/compulsions cause distress and loss of functioning. Within those parameters, you can technically be obsessed with anything.

Hope that helps clarify. :)

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Yeah, it really depends on your particular manifestation. It's true that there are plenty of people with OCD are obsessed with cleanliness but I can also say that not every person with OCD is obsessed with it. An example being yours truly.
The crux with Kalel, though - is I think she would describe herself as someone obsessed with cleanliness, yet she went around in dirty sweaters, etc. Not to mention that one time she shit on the floor. #NeverForget
Also, I never know what she's talking about with this "perfectionism" thing and how her videos have to be perfect, etc. But. Girl. I've lost count of the number of shit videos you've uploaded over the years. All those shit vlogs you used to upload with Anthony, just for the money? Those weren't anywhere near perfect. And it's not even like she's consistent with any sort of particular feature to her videos - she gets lazy and stops putting in the things that are supposed to make them look nice and "perfect" like the intros, etc. Whenever she claims to be a perfectionist, I think of that line from Princess Bride where Inigo Montoya says "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
I think the words you're looking for are "lazy" and "delusional," Kalel.

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Off topic, but I always thought Alec was her hottest and most fun boyfriend and I never thought Cyrus was attractive...

however, the more videos I watch with him, wtf....Cyrus is mega-ultra hot...what is going on with me!!!

What do these gorgeous men see in her? I personally think Kale is gorgeous, but then I remember her personality and I want to throw up... I mean, maybe Cyrus is a dick and then it would make sense because he probably only cares about looks, but Anthon and Alec seemed really chill and nice...maybe that's why they're not around, they wised up to her shit and dipped out...

just a random thought lol
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Wishx23 wrote:
berlinchair wrote:
ladyandtramplove wrote:Honestly I am not convinced that a specialist has diagnosed her... just the fact that she felt the need to constantly repeat that over and over. I do not know much about OCD so excuse my ignorance but could someone with OCD, as severe as she says hers is, really walk around in those dirty sweaters she would wear around the house when she was with Anthony?

Perhaps she is like me and she has bad anxiety which causes me to go on huge sprees deleting everything from my Facebook. I do not call that OCD because for me at least it is not, I call that bad confidence and anxiety lol
It is a bit of a misconception that every OCD person is obsessed with cleanliness. Cleanliness/germs/contamination is a type of obsession in OCD, but there are a lot of other obsessions as well. I knew a girl whose obsession was fires - she was terrified that her house would catch on fire and kill her/her dog. The compulsions associated with this obsession was that she would buy a million fire extinguishers for her house, have a bunch of rituals associated with using the dryer, or would sometimes call the fire dept out because she thought she smelled gas/smoke. I know of another case in which a person had obsessive thoughts about harming other people, and would avoid others as a result. Another common non-cleanliness obsession, too, is having to do something a number of times to stop something bad happening - eg, having to lock and unlock the door seven times to stop someone from breaking in. People with non-cleanliness obsessions like these could live in filth or wear dirty clothes, because their OCD is about something else. A great example, actually, is hoarding - hoarding is an OCD-spectrum disorder because it is an obsession with losing or being without something, and a compulsion (never throwing things away) that soothes that, but often leads to very dirty home conditions.

The main feature of OCD is that the person has an obsession that causes anxiety (eg. house fires), and a compulsion that soothes that anxiety (eg. buying fire extinguishers), and these obsessions/compulsions cause distress and loss of functioning. Within those parameters, you can technically be obsessed with anything.

Hope that helps clarify. :)

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Also, I never know what she's talking about with this "perfectionism" thing and how her videos have to be perfect, etc.
I actually suffer from "maladaptive perfectionism" (in quotes because it's a colloquial term rather than a clinical one) as part of another mental illness, and it is actually a thing that people suffer from. It's a bit of a misleading label, because people with maladaptive perfectionism actually can be underachievers, because they become so anxious about doing things perfectly that sonetimes they end up avoiding situations where their work will be graded or judged. I have had a really hard time getting through school because I will rewrite assignments ten or 15 times, and sometimes not hand them in because they don't feel like they're good enough. Likewise, giving a wrong answer in class discussion or taking an exam that I am not likely to get 100% on can be terrifying to me. The only way I can describe it is...it feels like if I fail to turn in perfect work, my lecture is going to start punching me or a blade is going to fly across the room and cut my head off. If Kalel struggles with that, I really feel for her.

However, as you're mentioning, there are a lot of things she does that are not....consistent, with this type of maladaptive perfectionism. For one, as you mentioned, she seems to be okay with uploading half-assed videos. Someone with MP would be more black and white - their videos would either be perfect/high quality, or there would be a total lack of any uploads. Even the thought of uploading a half-assed video would make someone with MP have panic attacks, let alone doing it. Kalel also seems to consider her perfectionism to be a...virtue? She talks about it like she's proud of it and like being a perfectionist is the same as being perfect already. Someone with MP would be opposite - they usually have no problem recognising that their perfectionism is unhealthy and a bad thing, and they are acutely aware of how imperfect they are.

And so on. Tl;dr: While maladaptive perfectionism is a real thing, you're absolutely right in saying that Kalel's actions are inconsistent with someone who struggles with MP. Something else seems to be at work.

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bump wrote:Off topic, but I always thought Alec was her hottest and most fun boyfriend and I never thought Cyrus was attractive...

however, the more videos I watch with him, wtf....Cyrus is mega-ultra hot...what is going on with me!!!

What do these gorgeous men see in her? I personally think Kale is gorgeous, but then I remember her personality and I want to throw up... I mean, maybe Cyrus is a dick and then it would make sense because he probably only cares about looks, but Anthon and Alec seemed really chill and nice...maybe that's why they're not around, they wised up to her shit and dipped out...

just a random thought lol
Anthony was a fool in love. I'm sure she was sweet and nice to him for the first 6 months to a year, but then her real bitchy personality started to show on occassion. I don't think her rude comments or behaviour towards Anthony ever bothered him tbh, because she always brushed it off with a laugh afterwards, trying to make it sound like a joke. She does the same thing with Cyrus. Sometimes her "jokes" are mean and truculent in a playful way, but most of the time I think it's just her bitchy self. They are both attractive, despite some people's comments, so I guess ugly personality is more excusable in that case :roll: Is something wrong with Cyrus for liking Kale? I think he's just attracted to her and also it'll take him a few more months to truly learn what kind of a person she really is. I always wondered did he ever find out about this forum? Or did he watch any of her old videos? I'm guessing not, otherwise he would dump her sorry ass in a second. If I dated someone internet famous I would definately lurk a little, just to research who am I dealing with ;)

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she's deleting anything remotely negative on her most dishonest video ever. i left a comment on her video to point out how funny it was that out of all the shit she "impulsively" deletes the one thing that has some how managed to stay is the channel that anthony built, WULAS. shes is SO insanely full of bullshit. the nerve, the audacity, to claim she would rather work 3 jobs than have her life. Bitch, fuck you. Its really easy. Delete Anthonys channel that you plastered "kaloser kitten" all over and go get 3 jobs then. She acts as if someone held a gun to her head and made her do all of her manipulated crazy ass shit. when in reality, she has manipulated, lied and used more successful people to get to where she is. but of course that doesnt go along with her sob story so she deleted my commented.

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she deleted my comment as well
here is a screenshot I saved because I knew this was gonna happen :rofl: (sorry the text looks weird :P )
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