Haley Pham

[gibson5858]

Do youtubers have to cry to be “vulnerable?” Also she says she clicked on all those videos but she can’t put her finger on why she’s changed. Yes, it’s the money.

I think the answer to this depends entirely on whether or not you believe Haley was being authentic. If she was being real, then she had an emotional moment and at that point it has nothing to do with how much other Youtubers cry. It was simply a moment that caused Haley to become emotional.

A skeptic could say that Haley is trying to manipulate her viewers. Crying can be a good way to garner sympathy especially with how much Haley stressed the importance of her parents' divorce and her mom losing her job. Even if it is authentic and all of this has been difficult on Haley, there could be some manipulation involved in the video. After all, even if this topic legitimately made her cry, Haley's still the one who decided to keep the crying moments in the video. There were edits in the video, she could have removed it all. However, she kept them in. Not only that, but she made the thumbnail (Provided she doesn't change it at a later point) a screenshot of her wiping away the tears. There's a purpose to that.

My issue with the video is that it feels so much like her non-apology apology on her vlog channel. Which that video I can no longer find on her vlog channel, so I guess she either privatized it or deleted it. In both cases, something occurred to incur some backlash, Haley tried to ignore the backlash for awhile, then when the backlash is clearly not going away, she creates an emotional video to admit that she's changed, but she's going to change back to how she used to be going forward. It's been two months and Haley is right back where she started at.

There could even be some manipulation at play involving putting this non-apology apology on her main channel instead of on her vlog channel like she did after the Greek incident. Since this is less of a "You f'd up" and offended people moment and rather more of a simplistic "People aren't digging your stuff" problem, it's far easier for Haley to put out on her main channel where more people will see it.

Considering this is December, every Youtuber is looking to make some big money with increased ads and Haley has a new "Company" that she's hoping will be a success, this video screams damage control to me.

In Haley's defense, I think she's sincerely lost. She's struggling to figure out a direction for her main channel and in the last few months, she's had a couple of harsh reality checks that what she's doing isn't working out. If you're Haley, how are you even supposed to go back to how you used to be when so much has changed? Your entire identity of being a student and dancer is long gone, you're clearly far more successful and well off than other eighteen year olds, and you're still in this Youtube life where she can't just go off for a year and figure out who Haley, the person, is now. That's a lot for a kid to figure out.

She's in a tough spot, but that video is 100% trying to do damage control yet again.

[Nugget1231]

^^^ I agree with you on some parts. I definitely think she became hyper aware of the backlash she was receiving. There have been tons of videos coming out recently calling her out for not being relatable anymore. Her comment section has been a mess, and her views have been way down. I think she felt the need to step back and address everything before moving on, and whether or not that’s manipulation I’m not sure... I also agree with you on the crying. She probably left it in to be like “hey guys look how genuine and relatable I am being rn” but I do think it was an actual emotional response. Idk, I’m interested to see if she’ll actually fix her problems or just go back to how she’s been again.

[shormps14]

There’s really no point in overanalyzing the video as she was pretty much straightforward. Sure she cried but it felt authentic coming from Haley because she doesn’t like being vulnerable on camera. Either way, she pulled herself together for the majority of it, much more than I would have honestly.

This video is a big deal, you can tell she’s actually beginning to internalize everything that has happened this year. She misses her friends, she misses the structure of her life and when Youtube was a lucrative hobby rather than a stressful job now. She admits that she got in over her head with the money as well which I understand. She was struggling financially right around the time Youtube started giving her a paycheck. It’s very easy to get carried away and being that she’s providing for her mom, she feels pressured to keep doing whatever allows that piggybank to keep flowing.

Also people don’t just change overnight. It’s a process, you have to acknowledge that there’s an issue and then have to figure out a solution to it and make sure you don’t fall down that path again.

It’s very telling that Ryan said that Haley wasn’t being genuine in her reveal video, proves my point further that Ryan indeed is honest and upfront with her and she’s just stubborn lmao. She needs to work on listening to others more, I hope she’s okay

[greeniepeas]

Haley still isn’t my favorite person, but I do think that the video was genuine and I do appreciate her making it. I appreciate that she was honest about her motivation behind her channel becoming entirely financial.

Which leads me into my larger point...I really am not sure what I think of her relationship with her mom. It’s clear that they’re close and love each other, and it’s totally admirable that a teenager’s top priority is to provide for her mother, but like...it shouldn’t be. Haley is only 18. I don’t understand how her mom could be comfortable with her barely legal daughter being the breadwinner of the house- like, there’s a huge difference between being fortunate enough to support your mom while she looks for a new job and buy her some nice gifts versus taking on the responsibility of providing for your mom for the rest of your life, to the detriment of your own career and mental health. There have been so many red flags that total strangers have been able to see (dropping out of high school, buying a mansion, making increasingly dumb and forced content) but somehow her own mother has been totally cool with it?

[askthatgorl]

Haley still isn’t my favorite person, but I do think that the video was genuine and I do appreciate her making it. I appreciate that she was honest about her motivation behind her channel becoming entirely financial.

Which leads me into my larger point...I really am not sure what I think of her relationship with her mom. It’s clear that they’re close and love each other, and it’s totally admirable that a teenager’s top priority is to provide for her mother, but like...it shouldn’t be. Haley is only 18. I don’t understand how her mom could be comfortable with her barely legal daughter being the breadwinner of the house- like, there’s a huge difference between being fortunate enough to support your mom while she looks for a new job and buy her some nice gifts versus taking on the responsibility of providing for your mom for the rest of your life, to the detriment of your own career and mental health. There have been so many red flags that total strangers have been able to see (dropping out of high school, buying a mansion, making increasingly dumb and forced content) but somehow her own mother has been totally cool with it?

This is a good point. There could be some cultural impact behind the children becoming caretakers of parents especially if they are first generation. I would love to do the same for my parents, but my parents love to keep busy. I’m not familiar with Vietnamese culture or how diluted theirs could be from being in the US. The “American Dream” could mean something different to us, and they may take it any way possible. I also don’t know how pride works within their family. Overall, it seems there was significant trauma with the timing of losing the house and the divorce and they were feeling very blessed by Haley’s success and not questioning the blessings. Plus, if Haley completely takes care of her mom and doesn’t encourage her to work/mom doesn’t want to work, that would make her mom way more accessible to her and she still has a strong dependence on her mom. While this is a very lucky scenario, I wouldn’t want my almost 19 year old to feel responsible for me when I’m able-bodied.

[quietsummerday]

I thought the video was genuine, and I'm not Haley's biggest fan. Honestly, it made me want to keep watching, to see where she takes her content. I feel bad for her in a way, because it seems like she's getting the message "don't change at all" - that's obviously just not realistic. She's not going to be the same person she was at age 14, or even 6 months ago. I'm 22 now, and unrecognizable from who I was at 18. At 18, I was unrecognizable from myself at 14. My point is, of course she's changing, and she shouldn't feel bad for that. It's just the lack of authenticity, the materialism, etc that people dislike.

I'm optimistic and interested to see where she takes her content next. I hope she is able to do some reflection and soul-searching, and realize what it is she really wants and needs. I wonder if she sees a therapist - I feel like it could be so helpful to her right now, with processing being the provider for her mom, her recent life changes, her status as a semi-public figure, etc. It must be hard growing up as a kid on the internet. I appreciate this step she's taken towards maturity.

[shesofunny]

Like y'all, I really liked the vid too and although I'm trying not to be a clown and just immediately start watching Haley for fun again, I really think she was being genuine and honest. And the commentary above on Haley being the breadwinner/caretaker at 18 is important, too. I think it's common for kids to want to take care of their parents to a strong degree. Some of it could be cultural, but I think this is just common overall. I know good and well that if I was making as much money as her, that I would immediately try and take care of everything at home with my mother and siblings, etc. I wouldn't want my mother to work if she didn't absolutely need to because if you don't need the extra money, why work? It does put an excessive amount of stress on Haley, but I don't want to put her mom at fault for accepting Haley's gratitude and care.

In the video though, I do think the random clips of Spock were unnecessary and took away from the video a bit, but oh well.

[quietsummerday]

What are y'alls thoughts on her supporting Shane/J* in the latest vlog? I'm not a fan of either, so it's kind of disappointing. I can't be too hypocritical, since one of my favorite YouTubers (Mia Maples) is a J* stan, but I wish people would stop supporting him and Shane.

Also, thoughts on Ryan buying a Tesla? Seems like a huge purchase to make, considering their house still isn't fully furnished. I'm curious as to whether Haley and Ryan have combined finances.

[greysweatpants20]

I also think there are cultural influences at play. I think providing for family is a universal ideal for a lot of people IF they happen to become successful, but I think for certain POC, especially those from non American families, it feels like a duty, not just something to aspire to. I can definitely relate to how she feels in that regard because I do take the eventual living costs of my mother into consideration when making educational and career choices. For a lot of Americans, "taking care of family" seems to be primarily limited to the spouse and children. Whereas that category for who you are expected to take care of expands in other cultures, particularly for eldest children.

[MichelleMacKay]

I liked her video about recognizing how she’s changed. To me it seemed pretty genuine and I respect that she sat down and took responsibility for things.

I just don’t feel like Ryan buying a Tesla was a good idea?? I feel like they’re both really young to have so much money and I feel like they’re not thinking about the fact that just because you have money doesn’t mean you have to spend it. Their house isn’t even fully furnished yet. I’m my opinion it would’ve been much better to save and invest their money rather than buying a mansion and an expensive car. The whole situation just seems kind of irresistible to me.

[pinkcoconuts]

Does anyone know which Tesla they got? Seems impulsive buying two huge purchases at once ... guessing both aren’t putting very much into savings for the future.

[greysweatpants20]

It's interesting to see Ryan and Haley seemingly blow through so much money because I know Ryan really looks up to Cody Ko, and Cody is constantly talking about young YouTubers blowing through money. I think both of them have slowly been slipping into the Keeping Up with the Joneses mentality without even realizing it. Interesting that they seemed to get more shallow when Ryan moved away from LA.

[Melroselove]

It's interesting to see Ryan and Haley seemingly blow through so much money because I know Ryan really looks up to Cody Ko, and Cody is constantly talking about young YouTubers blowing through money. I think both of them have slowly been slipping into the Keeping Up with the Joneses mentality without even realizing it. Interesting that they seemed to get more shallow when Ryan moved away from LA.

That is a really good point. I wish we knew what she made. Because you’re right, there are so many youtubers who are bigger than her and don’t make these huge purchases that quickly (or at least not publicly).
Jenna Marbles, for example, just bought a mansion after 10 years on YouTube and I’m pretty sure she drives a normal car.
I also wonder if things have changed and if youtubers are making more money these days with sponsorships vs. how yters used to make money on views


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[shesofunny]

What are y'alls thoughts on her supporting Shane/J* in the latest vlog? I'm not a fan of either, so it's kind of disappointing. I can't be too hypocritical, since one of my favorite YouTubers (Mia Maples) is a J* stan, but I wish people would stop supporting him and Shane.

Also, thoughts on Ryan buying a Tesla? Seems like a huge purchase to make, considering their house still isn't fully furnished. I'm curious as to whether Haley and Ryan have combined finances.

I absolutely can't stand any youtubers or anyone who still support J* and Shane. Like, I wish the comments on her vlog channel would just be enabled already, bcs I wanna know what everyone else thinks but majority of people on youtube worship the ground J* and Shane walk on. I wish Haley would stop supporting him, but she seems like sort of the type to follow trends so I don't see her discontinuing any support unless there's some massive "cancellation" of Shane and J* in the upcoming future.

[Judymonster]

Personnally, I'll never have the same consideration or love for Haley now than for 2017Haley
She can cry and admit she is too money oriented, she'll never have a more interesting life than when she actually had one (school, dance, friends or whatsoever)

Her life and videos became such a bore since she quit everything

[gibson5858]

I don't know if this is a result of people not a fan of Haley's latest main channel video or the vlog featuring Ryan buying a Tesla, but her vlog channel has been losing subscribers like crazy over the last few days. On December 3rd, she lost 4,000 subs, after already losing 1,000 the previous day, and her live count has her losing 1,000 today.

What are y'alls thoughts on her supporting Shane/J* in the latest vlog? I'm not a fan of either, so it's kind of disappointing. I can't be too hypocritical, since one of my favorite YouTubers (Mia Maples) is a J* stan, but I wish people would stop supporting him and Shane.

Shane's dope. I get that he has his fair share of detractors, but he's also one of the most popular Youtubers going today. Even if I were to hate Shane, it'd be difficult for me to judge Haley for supporting him when it seems like everyone is.

My main exposure to Jeffree Star has just come from Shane's videos, both this year and last year. He has a very strong personality and seems to enjoy confrontations and drama, but I've liked what I've seen of him.

The reality of the situation is that their release was incredibly popular, both from a financial stand point and just word of the mouth wise. I was seeing Youtubers who never talk about makeup bring up what Shane was doing with his last series. To judge someone for supporting Shane would mean you'd have to judge a lot of people as well.

Also, thoughts on Ryan buying a Tesla? Seems like a huge purchase to make, considering their house still isn't fully furnished. I'm curious as to whether Haley and Ryan have combined finances.

Initially, I was left rolling my eyes. Between the European vacation, the mansion, and now the Tesla, they spent so much money on high price things. It just seems like Haley and Ryan are doing their best to imitate all of the big couple/family channels on Youtube that is all about luxury lives.

At the same time, I don't know how much that Tesla model cost. The fact that Ryan's gimmick is that he's very conscious of the environment and not producing waste, him buying a Tesla seems like less of a status symbol as it would be for others buying one. Of course Ryan is going to buy an electric car. It fits who he is.

[Nugget1231]

So I saw this girl wearing this backpack the other day while on campus..... look familiar? It’s by a company called REI. I didn’t watch Haley’s video about Retro Reprise so I’m not sure what “inspiration” she had for the print, but omg this looks exactly like it.

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[quietsummerday]

At the same time, I don't know how much that Tesla model cost. The fact that Ryan's gimmick is that he's very conscious of the environment and not producing waste, him buying a Tesla seems like less of a status symbol as it would be for others buying one. Of course Ryan is going to buy an electric car. It fits who he is.

Yeah, I mean Teslas are obviously popular cars among the YouTuber crowd, and they're definitely not the worst option. I also don't think they're *that* expensive all things considered, it's just surprising that he chose to buy one right after buying this house. To Haley's credit, she seems content with her car. That's why I'm so curious about the financial situation - they aren't married or even engaged but they've taken such huge life steps together. Whose pocket is it coming out of?

[askthatgorl]

Is today her bday?

Anyways... her supporting Shane and J* will never curl over well for me. I can’t afford to look past the past because they still capitalize off of the ignorance and damage they’ve caused and have the privilege to defend and thrive off of. So it’s a hard “No.” forever, and they are a perfect example of twisting the narrative and disregarding the oppressed people they believe made too big a deal about their transgressions. Shane still capitalizes off the racism ala his merch. Miss me with that.

I’m militant about this, so to me while I am happy to see Haley addressing that she is getting on people’s nerves, she still has a shaky moral compass. Money runs her, period. Why else would she frequently promote people so closely aligned with controversies + youtube = $$$? It’s funny how most of them have had scandals from racism (not sure about that Gabi girl). She probably also admires that these folks have received a lot of heat over the years but seem even more successful than before cause she hopes for the same trajectory. Sis is transparent.

[greysweatpants20]

The whole Jeffree * thing will always make me question the judgment on anyone who publically supports him. I also don't like Shane but he does a lot better of a job covering up his "edgy" tendencies, so I can understand why people support him. Jeffree on the other hand just oozes toxicity and I question how Haley could support someone who has been so evil toward women of color. Even in the most recent docuseries aka glorified vlogs, he tried to claim that people call him racist to detract from his success. Uh no, people call you racist because there's video footage of you saying anti Black racial slurs and you have been known to treat Black women disrespectfully and/or as props. Haley strikes me as someone who is superficially "woke" though so it almost doesn't surprise me.