JackSepticEye Part 7 - Jack “YouTube’s the problem not me” Septiceye

[takingouttrash]

Oh God he really did change it to an Adidas hat. Bet he's wanting that sponsorship.

[SlitheringSerpentine]

As an illustrator and as someone who critiques/copy edits the occasional draft for aspiring authors, I see his mentality a lot. In people who get nowhere.

It is fulfilling to have people notice your artwork, whether it's drawn, acted, written, or filmed, but if you get stuck in the "I NEED to make this great before I show anyone" mentality, then you never show anyone and you can never improve. Your standards for your own work are insanely high. You see every mistake, every single slip up, and every moment where something could've been better. When other people see it, especially people who don't know as much about your chosen art form as you do, they only see the impressive parts. They look at it as a whole as see how it all fits together, and that's it.

Some people will look closer and see faults, but those people often know more about the craft so they can appreciate it as a flawed, but good, piece. Some people won't like what you make. I don't like the egos (including Mark's) but I can see when effort went in and appreciate that. My job is professional illustration; I've illustrated children's books alongside a few covers for adult and YA, as well as general media stuff, and guess what? Some people just don't like a certain art style. You can't get caught up in other people's opinions if they'll get in the way of creating what you feel a need to create. People's expectations are just their expectations -- they don't have to mean anything to you.

It's the same as (in his Mark/ego apology) when he said that "all creative people get like this sometime". They don't. People who put too much emphasis on other people do. What Jack's doing might be ambitious, but there's no ambition in putting it off constantly. He should put less pressure on himself, but how can he do it when he's still a people pleaser? He said it himself, he wants to do the egos justice for the fans too. Nothing will change if he can't separate himself from fictional characters that he/other people made up.

Your craft is not your baby. It might come from you and feel personal, but it is something you've created. It isn't alive, it won't get hurt if people don't like it, but like a baby, if you coddle it and never let it see the light, all you get is a messy, regressed thing that never got what it needed to get better. So what if Jack's ego videos aren't great straight away? He can improve. The worst thing an artist can be is stagnant. When I said that your own standards are high, if you're inexperienced then your standards are high without any way to become more realistic. You can look at a painting and think "I could never do that" but then, once you learn the techniques and different brushes, it all becomes a lot simpler. While you won't become Bob Ross overnight, you have the tools to get better. By keeping his ego project hidden, he can't get the tools to create something better. He'll stay inexperienced and he'll never be able to create something that meets realistic standards, because he doesn't know what a realistic standard is.

Also, I don't think we're on the cusp of a big change since the entire post reads as "you guys put too much pressure on me and it made me sad!! i just wanna do you guys justice." He's still being a victim, so it doesn't look like he's had that much of a mental epiphany. His mentality is one that a lot of artists start out with, but they end up nowhere because they're unable to get past the fear of getting something down on paper. I hope he's continuing therapy now that he's back in England. That's the only way I see that he could start moving past these problems. (sorry for the essay guys, turns out I have a lot to say about this and it might be a bit rant-ish because I'm currently dealing with someone like this irl)

This is incredible advice, thank you for sharing. I never thought of things that way and though it was meant for Jack, I find this very useful for myself too.

Edit: sorry, I know it was from a few pages back and I usually avoid commenting when I’m playing but catch up, but this post was just so genuinely wonderful I couldn’t help myself.

[NiamhWInters]

So "Chase" is premiering in an hour. It's going to have to be a freakin' spectacle of cinematic magic in order for it to be worth literally months of stalling and apologies

I think that's why I tend to respect Mark a lot more than I do Sean - because Mark just usually gets shit done without feeling like he has to constantly apologise or make excuses for himself.

Like in a recent video he explained that he's been practising music for two years or something - imagine if in all that time he was just like "Guys I'm so sorry I haven't done any more singing yet I know you guys are getting inpatient but I only have one shot at this and want this to be perfect and I keep beating myself up about it oh and if you guys could make a bunch of fanart of me singing that I'll post multiple times a day for the next TWO YEARS that'll be great"

[Justforkicks]

So "Chase" is premiering in an hour. It's going to have to be a freakin' spectacle of cinematic magic in order for it to be worth literally months of stalling and apologies

I think that's why I tend to respect Mark a lot more than I do Sean - because Mark just usually gets shit done without feeling like he has to constantly apologise or make excuses for himself.

Like in a recent video he explained that he's been practising music for two years or something - imagine if in all that time he was just like "Guys I'm so sorry I haven't done any more singing yet I know you guys are getting inpatient but I only have one shot at this and want this to be perfect and I keep beating myself up about it oh and if you guys could make a bunch of fanart of me singing that I'll post multiple times a day for the next TWO YEARS that'll be great"

So true, haha, Mark just seems to do the things he likes rather than doing the things his fans want to see and he therefore doesn't have to post about doing something with music if it's just practice. With Jack it seems like he doesn't really care about these side projects but feels as though he has to make them and he therefore has to capture every second of him working on said project or apologise for the lack of work. I honestly don't think he's really that creative at all and that's fine with me, but I don't get why he beats himself (and us) up about it. He could really just find some very creative people and work with them on content like this to take it to a higher level...

[Chibi Mooncat]

So all of this is just one big ad for SOCKS?! Are you kidding me? That can’t be all there is? Is the hype even worth it?

[Hoodless21]

Oof it was short for all those months. If it becomes a episode one then I wouldn't mind it. But if this was it for this year then wow. I expected more.

[grayheart9]

So all of this is just one big ad for SOCKS?! Are you kidding me? That can’t be all there is? Is the hype even worth it?

I saw this but I read it as a joke cuz surely he would know that if it was all just an advert for socks it would be the final nail in the coffin of his career. I’m not defending him but surely no one can be that dumb...


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[Chibi Mooncat]

Well that was... Disappointing. Just four minutes of contemplating and somehow magically teleports back into the city. There has to be more to this right?

[Chibi Mooncat]

So all of this is just one big ad for SOCKS?! Are you kidding me? That can’t be all there is? Is the hype even worth it?

I saw this but I read it as a joke cuz surely he would know that if it was all just an advert for socks it would be the final nail in the coffin of his career. I’m not defending him but surely no one can be that dumb...


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Could be, it would be a big F U if it was just an ad for socks.

[_dekudoesnotapprove]

the shaky camera gave me such a headache

[NiamhWInters]

So a lot of the comments in the live chat after the video ended is a heckin' mood - people seem to be either p*ssed off or just confused - whereas a lot of Twitter comments are going on about how great an actor he is...

I mean, I think the video was really good in terms of editing and cinematography etc, but it just lacked any real substance. If he's going to turn this into a multi-part series then great, I'll be rooting for him and I'll actually be pretty excited about it.

But if it ends up just being a one off where after two years of ego-hype he makes one video with little effort and no dialogue whilst pratting about during his LA holiday then I'm out

[sillylittlemonster]

Hiya, I've been lurking for a good long while but this CHASE video finally broke me what on EARTH?? The screaming in the car part...omfg I cringed...and whoever was operating that camera needs to find some way to stop shaking so badly. It looked super unprofessional in many places. If this is al he’s got...yikes. I was a stan of his for years but after this and all the Gab bullshit I’m just so over it lmfao

[NiamhWInters]

Oh my gosh the SHAKING! Was worse than Cloverfield honestly
You'd think that Sean and Gab being professional YouTubers, one of them would've thought to bring a tripod with them? Unless they decided to make it as a last minute thing because the stans were starting to complain about a lack of ego content...

[Chibi Mooncat]

Maybe the camera person wasn’t Gab but actually Tucker? If it was Gab then she sucks ass at holding a camera but if it was Tucker then maybe it wasn’t his greatest work and I know he does better than that. Or maybe the camera shaking was intentional.

[LovelyLinkz]

The beginning looked like something Ethan (crankgameplays) would do so I was think him or tucker too

Maybe the camera person wasn’t Gab but actually Tucker? If it was Gab then she sucks ass at holding a camera but if it was Tucker then maybe it wasn’t his greatest work and I know he does better than that. Or maybe the camera shaking was intentional.

[sillylittlemonster]

Maybe the camera person wasn’t Gab but actually Tucker? If it was Gab then she sucks ass at holding a camera but if it was Tucker then maybe it wasn’t his greatest work and I know he does better than that. Or maybe the camera shaking was intentional.

I think to some degree the shaking WAS intentional, but there was one part in particular, where the car was driving on the road down the mountain, that the camera jerks harshly upwards and I’m almost certain that was an accident. BUT considering this “project” is horribly rushed, I’m sure they didn’t even see it until editing and just went “eh, looks fine, let’s keep rolling.”

[NoWonder]

Alright, as someone who is a photographer myself and is very fond of cinematography, I'd like to point out a few things:

+:

• the colour grading was very nice. It has a consistent tone which tells a story on it's own

• the editing! the transitions in the video were smooth (especially the last one). Good one, Robin!

• the music was amazing and fitting

-:

• what's the point of the video? it looks like a tribute to the character, there is no context nor exposition, so it doesn't add anything to 'the universe'

• the shaky filming. Sure, it could be intentional, but for a 'high-quality production', you could've retaken some shots to make the shaking more fitting and less annoying

• the use of lenses. I was perfectly ok with the opening shots (car scene, sunset) and the parking lot one, but the forest part was just hard to watch. It looks like they used an anamorphic lense (the bokeh in the forest sequence looks oval, while regular well-known lenses usually produce circle looking bokeh). Anyway, It would look nice if Jack was the object in the foreground, and there was only one layer of the background, but you can clearly see that there is something in the middle (some trees and bushes), and because of the depth of field their camera didn't blur it as much, but it should've been as blurry as the background, but instead it catches viewers' attention and you expect to see something there which isn't there. The forest sequence actually kinda looks like it was shot on an iPhone, cuz it has a similar bokeh effect.


It could've been better, but I'm glad he's doing something.


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[Chibi Mooncat]

I knew it was Tucker that filmed it, Jack confirmed it.

[aaaaaaaaaah]

I watched it without sound because my phone speakers are broken so I might've missed some stuff, but here's some criticism:
Good:
+ The final transition was really nice. It felt satisfying.
+ Nice locations.
+ Jack got something out there, which is always going to be better than nothing.
+ Good try at symbolism.
+ You can tell effort went into it.
+ For a first try with a small team, it is good. Without the 2 years' worth of hype we probably wouldn't be judging so hard.
+ I liked the extra Jack in the back of the car. It was subtle.

Needs work:
— If you're broke the first thing you sell is unnecessary, expensive stuff (e.g. you need a phone for internet access and job applications, you don't need an adidas hat or apple watch). It's the difference between a meal or another month's rent, or for someone with a dependency it's another fix. It doesn't fit the character of a broke, homeless, alcohol dependent guy to have this stuff. The car is also shiny and new. This is an alcoholic with alcohol in the car. A couple bags of fast food doesn't make it look realistically messy for the character. It's probably because it was a rental, but in that case go to a cheap rental and look for the worst car.
— I think the reason the camera was shaky was to symbolize the inside of Chase's head, but it was shaky in the wrong way. Dizziness is slowly side to side, drunk or disoriented, whereas this was like travel sickness. It was a good try at symbolism and it can be improved upon.
— The acting needs work. A breakdown isn't gently slapping a steering wheel and having a little scream. Most of the comments are about his scream during this, and they aren't talking about how impactful it was (also, I'm remembering in LiS: Before the storm where Rachel screamed and he made fun of it). In the forest he looks confused where I think he's meant to be thoughtful/ reminiscing. Taking a mirror out there to practice faces could be helpful if he won't take classes.

Sometimes we're too attached to ideas to see what the final product actually looks like. By only having 3 people (Tucker, Jack, Robin) work on it, there haven't been enough enough fresh eyes to notice when something was wrong/odd.

This is where Mark shines. He has bigger teams working on his stuff so there's more people to say "yes that works" or "no, let's re-do that". For WKM, his girlfriend made a backgrounds and props so everything fitted together for the character/location, he hired actors and specialist cameras, had multiple editors doing different editing, and did something ambitious. Jack's video is like a trailer for an upcoming Chase video.

As a final piece to end on: the tantrum:

[takingouttrash]

I was just laughing at how unoriginal it is. Chase screaming/crying in the car over a photograph - Sean from Life Is Strange 2 screaming/crying in the car after an intense confrontation with racist.

The music and style copies the Life Is Strange style, does he like those games or no? I literally thought Chase was going to put his hand out and make the rocks start flying.

The implications that Chase has Dissociative Identity Disorder just gave me Mr Robot vibes. Chase is suicidal and drinks (possibly does drugs? I dunno his egos) and Elliot from Mr Robot is the same.