JackSepticEye

[robomojo]

Can someone explain to me the idea of the quality? A lot of stuff is cotton which I get but one hoodie that Jack is wearing is 70% rayon. And 25 polyester with 5 percent spandex.

To me that's not worth the 60 quid. Rayon in my experience is not a material that ages well and polyester can be very hit or miss especially if what they're aiming for is athletic leisure wear ?
How is this quality worth the price tag. Genuine question

I think it depends on the quality of the fabric and how it's constructed. I'm not sure about rayon but I think polyester is supposed to be very durable and there are different grades of polyester so if they use a nicer grade then that might increase the quality. It also depends on how the clothing is sewn together. If they take care to make sure the seams aren't poorly done, that helps to increase the longevity of clothing.

Since they keep stressing high-end and high quality, I'm hoping that they're putting a lot of care into choosing high grade fabrics (even if they're synthetic) and using good techniques to sew the clothes. If they do, that might justify the high cost.

What I don't get is them stressing that this is for the community. Their audience is mostly kids who can't afford much of this. I feel like the marketing for this was pretty bad. I kept waiting for them to make the selling point of why we should want these clothes and why it's designed with us in mind but they didn't answer that.

Maybe they're hoping the brand will catch on with a larger, richer audience that doesn't follow them.

[Sunshinerain102]

Can someone explain to me the idea of the quality? A lot of stuff is cotton which I get but one hoodie that Jack is wearing is 70% rayon. And 25 polyester with 5 percent spandex.

To me that's not worth the 60 quid. Rayon in my experience is not a material that ages well and polyester can be very hit or miss especially if what they're aiming for is athletic leisure wear ?
How is this quality worth the price tag. Genuine question

I don’t think it is. Maybe he is trying to save up for a house in LA
I am honestly shocked at Sean over this. Mark I am disappointed in, but it is not as surprising as he has been seemingly on this path for a while. I don’t care that it is expensive. I care that it is really expensive for what it is and they preach inclusivity is the point of the clothing. It’s hypocritical. If it was a nice design and something unique and high quality, then I could see the price tag (but I still wouldn’t call it inclusive!)

[Guest]

They’re repping merch like jake Paul and it’s “for you” cause they say so and “good quality” because they say so. I bet if you look at the tags it’s all made in China just like Walmart hoodies. They seem super cringe in the commercial like I legitimately thought it was a joke because they are so bad at acting then I clicked the link and was surprised it was real. I don’t understand you tubers charging so much for shitty merch. Why can’t they make T-shirt’s anyone can buy? I take a while to buy games that are 60 bucks so there’s no way in hell I’d blow 80 on a hoodie. They’re too rich and don’t understand most people can’t spend money like that.

[RenegadeRobin]

dunno if im still just salty about it but i feel like they both keep mentioning about "how hard it is to find good quality clothes" because thats really the only thing they can sell about it. they know its garbo

[Guest]

In jacks new Instagram pic why is he wearing such poor quality of a shirt not designed for the everyday active gamer boi? I’d expect them to both be wearing their shitty rayon stuff 24/7.

[RenegadeRobin]

guess rayons too expensive for their blood

[Chibi Mooncat]

So what do you think guys, is Jack cut out to be a stripper? He was so awkward but he tried his best, I couldn’t help but laugh.

[teetyme]

I've a few thoughts on the brand thing, but nothing that hasn't been said already. Still, I hope this works for them. Maybe they'll work some things out. the part that did bother me was how disingenuous the marketing and their announcements felt. It bothered me the most.

with the stripping video... unf. Think Jack is suppose to release a video as well and I am looking forward to it hehe.

[teetyme]

Pewdiepie's answer to a question in his recent Q and A was interesting. He was asked if he would ever tour and basically says no and thinks its rediculous and people who do it are doing it for attention. even mentions people who upload daily. does he mean touring just for meetups or would he include Mark and Jack in that? Don't see why he would but he never says it. Disagree with him on this one. I wish I could go to one of their tours!

Link to the question:

[robomojo]

Pewdiepie's answer to a question in his recent Q and A was interesting. He was asked if he would ever tour and basically says no and thinks its rediculous and people who do it are doing it for attention. even mentions people who upload daily. does he mean touring just for meetups or would he include Mark and Jack in that? Don't see why he would but he never says it. Disagree with him on this one. I wish I could go to one of their tours!

Link to the question:

He was all over the place with his answer. I'm not sure if he was thinking about Mark and Jack or if he was thinking Youtubers in general shouldn't be touring. It's funny because PJ just finished touring so then Pewdiepie amended to say it's fine for those who don't upload daily. But by the end he's saying touring would be a great opportunity, just not for him because it would be too stressful. I'm not sure if he realized he had put his foot in his mouth and was trying to walk back his answer.

[robomojo]

I've a few thoughts on the brand thing, but nothing that hasn't been said already. Still, I hope this works for them. Maybe they'll work some things out. the part that did bother me was how disingenuous the marketing and their announcements felt. It bothered me the most.

with the stripping video... unf. Think Jack is suppose to release a video as well and I am looking forward to it hehe.

I feel the same about the marketing. I'd rather they just say that they wanted to create their own brand and would appreciate support from the community. It would be more honest than what their messaging is now.

As for the video, it makes sense now why they had to wait so long to release it. Honestly didn't expect Jack to do as well as he did and it was fun seeing him be goofy about it.

[Catbug]

Back on the topic of merch. I was astounded for the price for what it's composed of and have a lot of opinions but those have been said already. The thing I'm interested about is when people say it's ethically made. I emailed Cloak to ask and got this answer:
Alexis Roscamp (Cloak)
Oct 19, 15:47 PDT
Hi!

Thanks for the email. Our factories are in China. They have to go through in depth audits and testing before we would consider using them for our gear. We appreciate you taking the time to email us. I hope this information helps.

Have a great day!
Allie "LadyWolf" Roscamp
Customer Care Specialist

CLOAK So are they paying the people an actual wage or is this just another sweatshop type deal. If they had been making them in America or the like I could see the price but this sounds like another Nike thing to me.

[Catbug]

Back on the topic of merch. I was astounded for the price for what it's composed of and have a lot of opinions but those have been said already. The thing I'm interested about is when people say it's ethically made. I emailed Cloak to ask and got this answer:
Alexis Roscamp (Cloak)
Oct 19, 15:47 PDT
Hi!

Thanks for the email. Our factories are in China. They have to go through in depth audits and testing before we would consider using them for our gear. We appreciate you taking the time to email us. I hope this information helps.

Have a great day!
Allie "LadyWolf" Roscamp
Customer Care Specialist

CLOAK So are they paying the people an actual wage or is this just another sweatshop type deal. If they had been making them in America or the like I could see the price but this sounds like another Nike thing to me.

[teetyme]

He was all over the place with his answer. I'm not sure if he was thinking about Mark and Jack or if he was thinking Youtubers in general shouldn't be touring. It's funny because PJ just finished touring so then Pewdiepie amended to say it's fine for those who don't upload daily. But by the end he's saying touring would be a great opportunity, just not for him because it would be too stressful. I'm not sure if he realized he had put his foot in his mouth and was trying to walk back his answer.

Yea, I agree, his answer didnt make complete sense. Why does it matter if someone posts daily? If they figure it out without putting themselves through to much, then great. I wonder if maybe he thinks Jack shouldn't be posting on touring together so much for some reason? Or maybe like you said he just wasn't thinking of the two at all.

I feel the same about the marketing. I'd rather they just say that they wanted to create their own brand and would appreciate support from the community. It would be more honest than what their messaging is now.

As for the video, it makes sense now why they had to wait so long to release it. Honestly didn't expect Jack to do as well as he did and it was fun seeing him be goofy about it.

Yes, exactly! It just wasn't clear who "you" was in the marketing or what made it unique to gamers.

[Triple_Axel]

They're already sold out! Not too surprising as they have such a large audience combined that there's always a number who were going to fall for it, even if not the majority.

[robomojo]

He was all over the place with his answer. I'm not sure if he was thinking about Mark and Jack or if he was thinking Youtubers in general shouldn't be touring. It's funny because PJ just finished touring so then Pewdiepie amended to say it's fine for those who don't upload daily. But by the end he's saying touring would be a great opportunity, just not for him because it would be too stressful. I'm not sure if he realized he had put his foot in his mouth and was trying to walk back his answer.

Yea, I agree, his answer didnt make complete sense. Why does it matter if someone posts daily? If they figure it out without putting themselves through to much, then great. I wonder if maybe he thinks Jack shouldn't be posting on touring together so much for some reason? Or maybe like you said he just wasn't thinking of the two at all.

I think he said the daily post thing just to save PJ from his criticism. Maybe he does think Jack and Mark are doing it for attention. Jack has said he likes feeding off a live audience's energy so maybe Felix equates that to wanting validation and attention. I don't think they're the same though. His change of attitude at the end seems like he might also blame touring for the stress on Jack's mental health.

[robomojo]

After all the criticism and negative feedback I'm honestly surprised they sold out so quickly. It was good that Mark explained more about the price and how most of the money was going back into the company. They should be more transparent rather than rely on their paper-thin mission statement that just raises more questions and doubts.

As for the clothes being made in China, it's possible that these aren't sweatshops. There are places in China that have made improvements to their factories. Some US and UK companies use these factories exclusively so they audit them regularly to make sure they meet requirements for safety, working conditions, wages, 8 hour days, etc. So made in China isn't always a terrible thing.

[Sunshinerain102]

After all the criticism and negative feedback I'm honestly surprised they sold out so quickly. It was good that Mark explained more about the price and how most of the money was going back into the company. They should be more transparent rather than rely on their paper-thin mission statement that just raises more questions and doubts.

Because even if .01% of their audience buys it, that is more than 2,000 people (rounded down and assuming all their subscribers overlap). Which is why anything attached to their names is going to be so profitable and probably why they were offered the brand in the first place.

[teetyme]

I think he said the daily post thing just to save PJ from his criticism. Maybe he does think Jack and Mark are doing it for attention. Jack has said he likes feeding off a live audience's energy so maybe Felix equates that to wanting validation and attention. I don't think they're the same though. His change of attitude at the end seems like he might also blame touring for the stress on Jack's mental health.

maybe he wasn't throwing shade just hinting they should slow down. doesn't explain the initial wording though, imo. Maybe Pewdiepie just doesn't get how feeding off of peoples energy doesn't equate to needing validation because of self-esteem issues. Or maybe he's right on the money and Jack and Mark do seek validation. What's wrong with wanting to be validated if theirs not a deeper problem?

with brand thing tbh if I could i'd buy a zip-up hoodie I would. but im broke. lol

[robomojo]

Because even if .01% of their audience buys it, that is more than 2,000 people (rounded down and assuming all their subscribers overlap). Which is why anything attached to their names is going to be so profitable and probably why they were offered the brand in the first place.

Yeah I didn't think of that. The sheer number of their combined audience is massive.

maybe he wasn't throwing shade just hinting they should slow down. doesn't explain the initial wording though, imo. Maybe Pewdiepie just doesn't get how feeding off of peoples energy doesn't equate to needing validation because of self-esteem issues. Or maybe he's right on the money and Jack and Mark do seek validation. What's wrong with wanting to be validated if theirs not a deeper problem?

with brand thing tbh if I could i'd buy a zip-up hoodie I would. but im broke. lol

His initial wording seems like his honest, gut reaction to me. But he does try to put more thought into it so maybe it wasn't shade, just honest opinion. To each their own. If Mark And Jack are getting satisfaction and validation from touring and being around fans, then that's great. I'm guessing Felix doesn't get that satisfaction from it. Maybe that's why he doesn't go to any Pax events anymore.