Pogan and Pake, Vol. 2

[molim]

When jake was on impaulsive just last week he was saying they had just gotten over a fight and he had behaved badly. Looks like he's not used to having a girl that won't put up with his shit
. If it's something as bad as cheating so early on then he's a real arsehole but part of me wants to give the benefit of the doubt there. He's not that bad is he? Still I bet they get back together. Seems too early for a full break up.

Judging by Julia not posting any pictures of Jake and barley mentioning him. Jake posting the same style of couple picture and videos he did with Alissa, Erika, and Tana,

My guess is that Jake wanted her to be his new Jalissa, Jerika, and Jana for his season 4 comeback on youtube.


Like always with friends or Girlfriends in the past if Jake can not monetize his friends or Girlfriends for content or Likes he often kicks them out or breaks up with them.


And I think that is what happened here Julia just did not want to have a social media relationship jake wants.


Julia also liked some tweets pointing to that.


This is the big problem with Jake he does not look at friends and girls as friendships and love. He looks at them as something to make money off and just characters in his life and social media life.

[horatio]

Yeah I can believe that. When he did that stunt with the monkey asking her to be his girlfriend i felt like I was watching a new version of the exact same thing I've seen him do at least twice. Her reaction spoke volumes and backs up your theory too.

What I don't get is, isn't Julia Rose the one who ran topless onto a football pitch deliberately to create a viral sensation? I thought she was all about that? Or was that someone else I'm not certain?

[molim]

Yeah I can believe that. When he did that stunt with the monkey asking her to be his girlfriend i felt like I was watching a new version of the exact same thing I've seen him do at least twice. Her reaction spoke volumes and backs up your theory too.

What I don't get is, isn't Julia Rose the one who ran topless onto a football pitch deliberately to create a viral sensation? I thought she was all about that? Or was that someone else I'm not certain?

Correct she was not big on social media before showing her boobs on sporting events.


But as you can see on her Instagram page she is getting 500k a picture and gaining 20k followers a day.


So she does not really need the social media clout from Jake as the girls before her needed (Tana had her own clout but she always wants more )


From what I am hearing is that Jake has been paying her company Shagmag bills. Jakes's team starting to film her cover shoot for her magazine Shagmag after she met Jake for the first time at his music video shoot.


So it's the investment money she wants from jake and not the social media clout she has that already but brands often don't want to work with someone who goes naked as she does so she needs money to fund her company.


Jake is just not in a million years gonna have a one-way street relationship where he does not get to make any clout from her.

[horatio]

Anyone with even a passing interest in the Paul’s should check out the new impaulsive episode. Featuring Jake, GP and Mac who barely speaks but probably helps everyone to feel relaxed (I only learnt he was Logan’s childhood friend quite recently)
And Mike’s absence, which I don’t think will be good in the long run, for sure improves this particular episode.
It’s so interesting watching family dynamics, especially a family like the Paul’s ffs.
Greg surprised me a bit. He’s definitely got some awful , violent qualities that have messed his sons up , and a gross macho mindset. But it sounds like he was truly dedicated to them in a way too - and not just since they started making money.
Also the differences between the two, how did Jake become Jake and Logan Logan ?

[Marie_10]

Logan seems to be the most balanced Paul out of the 3. I highly doubt that Jake will ever be able to go up again on YouTube the way Logan has done it, he seems to be a lost cause right now. His best choice would be to sell his obnoxiously big mansion and hang out with Logan, this way I'm sure Logan's audience could warm up to him a little bit.

I hope that Pam will be a guest on Impaulsive in the future because I'm not sure I entirely believe Greg on the divorce thing. He's a violent man and I wouldn't blame Pam for wanting full custody back then and for finding love elsewhere. He does seem dedicated to his sons but clearly some of his parenting methods fucked them up, and they both know that.

Jake seems afraid of Greg still, and in a past podcast Logan talked about how Jake is a mama's boy whereas he is closer to his Dad. They also briefly mentioned a couple times that Jake and Greg had a fight or something, I wish we knew more about that. To me it seems like Greg is way too controlling when he is around. I remember back in the Team 10 days, Nick Crompton would often make comments about Greg wanting to take full control of the business. I personally believe that Greg doesn't know as much as he'd like to think he does when it comes to business. I'm glad Greg is far away at the ranch because whenever he is around, whether it's as Jake's or Logan's, he seems to intimidate the people around him and it creates a weird atmosphere.

[molim]

Logan seems to be the most balanced Paul out of the 3. I highly doubt that Jake will ever be able to go up again on YouTube the way Logan has done it, he seems to be a lost cause right now. His best choice would be to sell his obnoxiously big mansion and hang out with Logan, this way I'm sure Logan's audience could warm up to him a little bit.

I hope that Pam will be a guest on Impaulsive in the future because I'm not sure I entirely believe Greg on the divorce thing. He's a violent man and I wouldn't blame Pam for wanting full custody back then and for finding love elsewhere. He does seem dedicated to his sons but clearly some of his parenting methods fucked them up, and they both know that.

Jake seems afraid of Greg still, and in a past podcast Logan talked about how Jake is a mama's boy whereas he is closer to his Dad. They also briefly mentioned a couple times that Jake and Greg had a fight or something, I wish we knew more about that. To me it seems like Greg is way too controlling when he is around. I remember back in the Team 10 days, Nick Crompton would often make comments about Greg wanting to take full control of the business. I personally believe that Greg doesn't know as much as he'd like to think he does when it comes to business. I'm glad Greg is far away at the ranch because whenever he is around, whether it's as Jake's or Logan's, he seems to intimidate the people around him and it creates a weird atmosphere.

According to Social blade Jake gets almost the same daily views 3-4 million as Logan despite only posting once a week while Logan post 4-5 times a week.


Jake also almost gets 10 million views a video on TikTok which is kinda crazy. He gained almost 2 million followers in 2 weeks on the app.


Jake has some kind of weird magic about making viral videos and kids seem to still watch his youtube channel like crazy despite posting once a week.


Greg and Pam said in one of former team 10 member Chads vlogs that jakes biggest problem is that he has a big heart for his friends that he ends up getting used.

Don't get tricked by the Tattoos and "savage" stuff jake does. He is very very emotional and scared person who has a big fear of being alone that many of his former friends have said.


Of course, Gregs story about the divorce is BS his sons can not keep a girl for more than 2 weeks. So the apple doesn't fall far from the tree here.

[Marie_10]

Logan seems to be the most balanced Paul out of the 3. I highly doubt that Jake will ever be able to go up again on YouTube the way Logan has done it, he seems to be a lost cause right now. His best choice would be to sell his obnoxiously big mansion and hang out with Logan, this way I'm sure Logan's audience could warm up to him a little bit.

I hope that Pam will be a guest on Impaulsive in the future because I'm not sure I entirely believe Greg on the divorce thing. He's a violent man and I wouldn't blame Pam for wanting full custody back then and for finding love elsewhere. He does seem dedicated to his sons but clearly some of his parenting methods fucked them up, and they both know that.

Jake seems afraid of Greg still, and in a past podcast Logan talked about how Jake is a mama's boy whereas he is closer to his Dad. They also briefly mentioned a couple times that Jake and Greg had a fight or something, I wish we knew more about that. To me it seems like Greg is way too controlling when he is around. I remember back in the Team 10 days, Nick Crompton would often make comments about Greg wanting to take full control of the business. I personally believe that Greg doesn't know as much as he'd like to think he does when it comes to business. I'm glad Greg is far away at the ranch because whenever he is around, whether it's as Jake's or Logan's, he seems to intimidate the people around him and it creates a weird atmosphere.

According to Social blade Jake gets almost the same daily views 3-4 million as Logan despite only posting once a week while Logan post 4-5 times a week.


Jake also almost gets 10 million views a video on TikTok which is kinda crazy. He gained almost 2 million followers in 2 weeks on the app.


Jake has some kind of weird magic about making viral videos and kids seem to still watch his youtube channel like crazy despite posting once a week.


Greg and Pam said in one of former team 10 member Chads vlogs that jakes biggest problem is that he has a big heart for his friends that he ends up getting used.

Don't get tricked by the Tattoos and "savage" stuff jake does. He is very very emotional and scared person who has a big fear of being alone that many of his former friends have said.


Of course, Gregs story about the divorce is BS his sons can not keep a girl for more than 2 weeks. So the apple doesn't fall far from the tree here.

Yes he is definitely still getting good views, and I'm sure his older videos also contribute greatly to this. He used to be way more popular than Logan in 2017, his vlogs would easily get 10M views every single day for a few months. I more so meant that I doubt he'll ever go up again in people's opinion. He would need to change a lot for that, and he's clearly still in some sort of phase right now. TikTok's algorithm can make people "viral" overnight but for someone like Jake, I don't think it will actually influence his other platforms.

I'm sure that he's been wronged but he has wronged many people too. I'm not tricked by any of Jake's appearance and big guy attitude, I've watched him for a long time and he's weak inside. But he has a lot of learning to do if he wants people to see him for who he truly is.

[Dobrica]

As a guy a bit older than Logan who has been living "the single life" a bit too much, I thought I should chime in.

Something seems kinda off about Logan, he seems so concern about his libido. I find it so weird that he talked about taking viagra for a hook up but ended up not even being able to get through with it. Surely a young man his age wouldn't need viagra, even with less libido than usual? Kinda seems like he's repressing something bigger, idk.

A normal young man his age wouldn't need viagra... Because a normal young man his age doesn't have a houseful of Instagram models who are throwing themselves at him at any given time. When he's single, Logan always has girls over. He probably has sex multiple times a day, every day, with girls most men only dream of. At some point you get mentally and/or physically exhausted by sex and you need a break, and it's got nothing to do with age or repressed feelings.

That's why compulsive masturbation is also a bad idea, because it can have similar negative effects on your brain/penis/libido whatever. Like anything else pleasurable in life, sex and masturbation need to be in moderation. Once you go over the top, you might start to see problems.

Logan is 25 now. He's obviously still young, but he's not a teenager anymore. Slowly but surely, he will start learning that burning the candle at both ends has repercussions that become more and more apparent as you age.

I think it's very brave of Logan to openly talk about his issues on a podcast. I know that viagra gum is a sponsor, but I doubt Logan would lie about erection problems to promote a brand. He's simply burned out on sex, and he's honest enough to say it. Good on him. A week or two without sex or masturbation will be the hard reset he needs.

[horatio]

I’m not so sure a week or two hard reset is enough. Remember he (needlessly by most accounts) stopped all sexual activity before his fight but went back into the same unsatisfying fuck boy behaviour straight after.
I agree he is overstimulated by choice though. He’s always talking on the podcast about being asexual or sapiosexual or lacking libido, but at the same time still seemed to be sleeping around as much as ever (pre pandemic).
I think he’s stuck in a cycle that happens to many successful famous young men after a while. The ability to sleep with any woman they like becomes shallow and unsatisfying- but it’s also compulsive so they keep doing it.
He’s always talking about a future wife and finding a girl he really likes... he puts imaginary women on a pedestal but all the evidence suggests in practice he is quite shitty to women.

[lmmomSD]

WTF was that naked picture Jake posted on IG? I get that he's an adult, but most of his fans are not. A lot of them are young girls. He can't pretend not to know that a bunch of tween/young girls follow him. He had to move because of all the screaming tweens outside his house (among other reasons).

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[badness]

jake is good it w trends, logan became more human as he worked through his issues on the podcast for me, mike ... all he cares about are pornstars this man is addicted and i cant believe hes dating one now. no hate to pornstars but not a guy who targets them like mike.

[horatio]

The guy clearly had/ has something of a fetish.
But to be fair, his thing with Lana seems to be more than that. Especially as her personality is so far from the typical LA pornstars he was pursuing before.
That said, he clearly can’t believe his luck and would probably put up with a lot just to be with her.

[molim]

Pretty obvious that Logan and Jake can not financially maintain the lifestyle they had any more.


Jake is doing mobile game brands and pay and I teach you scam.

Logan has started with shipping scams and selling his cars and furniture to get in money.



Crazy how 2 guys with 40 million followers each can not make any money anymore.


Shows you how dangerous it is to hurt your brand and make it toxic.


Both of them have big big egos which makes them not wanting to cut expenses or the lifestyle they have. Jakes team 10 went bankrupt in 2018 so he had to make a music tour to try and save it.

Logan also almost went bankrupt after the Japanese thing and we know how much his dad fired people and cut costs there too.


How hard can it be too just change lifestyle if you don't have the money

[badness]

i guess its the problem w influencers or youtubers they don't really know the timeline for their fame. they spent their money as most ppl would do if you fall into money fast. sustaining the fame is hard. impaulsive kind of does that for logan, jake not so much. hitting his demographic before, 8-12 yrs old ,brought in money bc its youtube, kids watch regularly but even they grow out of it. unless you provide a variety of content or have family vlog or podcast I think ppl get stuck in a genre that gets stale.

I'm waiting to see what happens to mr beast. his content is similar to old jake paul but its wholesome and centers around charity work which is always nice to watch so don't think hes going anywhere. although at some point hes going to stop or do something else.

The guy clearly had/ has something of a fetish.
But to be fair, his thing with Lana seems to be more than that. Especially as her personality is so far from the typical LA pornstars he was pursuing before.
That said, he clearly can’t believe his luck and would probably put up with a lot just to be with her.

yea mike has a fetish and lana tbh is too good for him considering how down to earth she is compared to him while still being a celebrity.

[horatio]

Hmm, ‘down to earth’ isn’t how I would describe her. I accept she’s not the typical trashy LA influencer - I like that she’s not into the shallow night life scene that’s so big there. But that childlike persona she has, at least some of the time, is odd to the point of being unsettling. It makes me think something awful happened to her when she was young honestly and she’s not ever properly dealt with it and moved on.
She also alluded to something from when she was young that she wouldn’t speak about on impaulsive.

Interesting what you say about their financial situation I was thinking about that earlier. In the new video where Logan buys Dani the car he shows himself speaking to his financial manager who says he’s lost a bunch of money that quarter (over 400k I think?) because of the pandemic.
But I don’t think he’s that worried - still bought the car after all. And I guess he’s expecting to do well from the maverick re launch. Logan made so much money in 2017 I’m sure he’s set up a few passive income streams from property or stocks or whatever. He’s not so stupid to be merely reliant on YouTube or brand deals or merch. He knows more than anyone how that fluctuates.

[molim]

Hmm, ‘down to earth’ isn’t how I would describe her. I accept she’s not the typical trashy LA influencer - I like that she’s not into the shallow night life scene that’s so big there. But that childlike persona she has, at least some of the time, is odd to the point of being unsettling. It makes me think something awful happened to her when she was young honestly and she’s not ever properly dealt with it and moved on.
She also alluded to something from when she was young that she wouldn’t speak about on impaulsive.

Interesting what you say about their financial situation I was thinking about that earlier. In the new video where Logan buys Dani the car he shows himself speaking to his financial manager who says he’s lost a bunch of money that quarter (over 400k I think?) because of the pandemic.
But I don’t think he’s that worried - still bought the car after all. And I guess he’s expecting to do well from the maverick re launch. Logan made so much money in 2017 I’m sure he’s set up a few passive income streams from property or stocks or whatever. He’s not so stupid to be merely reliant on YouTube or brand deals or merch. He knows more than anyone how that fluctuates.

Pretty sure Logan did a jake rental a car for a month give away video for views. He would not be buying her an expensive car at the same time do shipping scams if he had money.


That's the problem Logan and Jake are still one of the biggest social media people out there with the biggest numbers. But both of them are cut out of YouTubes top Ad program and most good brands don't want to work with them.

Both of them can also not promote their merch on youtube like before because of new ad rules online and that was I would say at least 50% of their income before.


Jake has like 20 people he is feeding and housing for free and that cost a ton shit of money. Not sure why he is that stupid but I guess it because of his problems with being alone.


Logan and Jake are making a lot of money but they are for sure stupid to not cut expenses with not being in the same financial situation as 2017. Their father Greg basically had to step in for them to not go bankrupt in 2018.

Nothing wrong with not having a 7 million dollar home and expensive cars but both of them have massive egos.

[Guest]

Not sure if any of you have been on Lipstick Alley? In the thread about ‘the girls room’, someone mentioned that Olivia O’Brien was loosely dating Logan Paul in the lead up to his second fight. He then hooked up with Jocelyn Chew a few times. Olivia found out and wrote a song about it (titled Josslyn). She states in an interview regarding the song, that the guy she wrote the song about, told her they were exclusive so it obviously pissed her off when he cheated.

Weirdly enough I had my suspicions that Logan and Jocelyn hooked up so this is no surprise to me. Im surprised that he was with Olivia though. Didn’t see that coming.

[lmmomSD]

So what audience is Jake trying to go for with all the Instagram posts of himself and the girl of the week (I don't bother to learn their names anymore) mostly naked? I'm not a prude, although I know I probably sound like one. But most of his merch and views come from tweens, judging by the screaming crowds outside his old house and the people who show up at his events. It's just weird.
And driving down the road with the chick in his lap? Real smart. Trying to remake the end of Fast & Furious 5 with Han and Giselle?
Sorry for sounding like such a grumpy old lady. I don't understand his appeal to begin with. Paul I kinda get, because he's evolving. He's not still trying to profit from the overgrown frat boy/high school fantasy of living in a big house with a bunch of friends and partying all the time, which especially now seems so pointless. Seeing people out there literally risking their lives just to keep grocery stores open, and getting paid minimum wage while he makes millions for posting videos of himself goofing off just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Sorry for the rant.

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[molim]

So what audience is Jake trying to go for with all the Instagram posts of himself and the girl of the week (I don't bother to learn their names anymore) mostly naked? I'm not a prude, although I know I probably sound like one. But most of his merch and views come from tweens, judging by the screaming crowds outside his old house and the people who show up at his events. It's just weird.
And driving down the road with the chick in his lap? Real smart. Trying to remake the end of Fast & Furious 5 with Han and Giselle?
Sorry for sounding like such a grumpy old lady. I don't understand his appeal to begin with. Paul I kinda get, because he's evolving. He's not still trying to profit from the overgrown frat boy/high school fantasy of living in a big house with a bunch of friends and partying all the time, which especially now seems so pointless. Seeing people out there literally risking their lives just to keep grocery stores open, and getting paid minimum wage while he makes millions for posting videos of himself goofing off just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Sorry for the rant.

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Way should Jake live a miserable life just because other people are? Makes no sense.


There are 2 ways on youtube :

1) Be fake nice and humble = you will be liked .................David dobrik , Shane Dawson, Logan going that path


2) Be real and brag about your accomplishment = you will be hated .................. Jake paul, Kemmstar, idubbbz,,Ricegum



Jake was the 2 highest paid YouTuber in the world in 2018 according to Forbes. No sane person leaves that just to make rated R content if that person is not tired of hearing "you have kid fans be careful" every time he makes some edgy content.

Jake just wants to get away from the kid content label as fast as he can even if he takes a financial hit from it.

[lmmomSD]

So what audience is Jake trying to go for with all the Instagram posts of himself and the girl of the week (I don't bother to learn their names anymore) mostly naked? I'm not a prude, although I know I probably sound like one. But most of his merch and views come from tweens, judging by the screaming crowds outside his old house and the people who show up at his events. It's just weird.
And driving down the road with the chick in his lap? Real smart. Trying to remake the end of Fast & Furious 5 with Han and Giselle?
Sorry for sounding like such a grumpy old lady. I don't understand his appeal to begin with. Paul I kinda get, because he's evolving. He's not still trying to profit from the overgrown frat boy/high school fantasy of living in a big house with a bunch of friends and partying all the time, which especially now seems so pointless. Seeing people out there literally risking their lives just to keep grocery stores open, and getting paid minimum wage while he makes millions for posting videos of himself goofing off just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Sorry for the rant.

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Way should Jake live a miserable life just because other people are? Makes no sense.


There are 2 ways on youtube :

1) Be fake nice and humble = you will be liked .................David dobrik , Shane Dawson, Logan going that path


2) Be real and brag about your accomplishment = you will be hated .................. Jake paul, Kemmstar, idubbbz,,Ricegum



Jake was the 2 highest paid YouTuber in the world in 2018 according to Forbes. No sane person leaves that just to make rated R content if that person is not tired of hearing "you have kid fans be careful" every time he makes some edgy content.

Jake just wants to get away from the kid content label as fast as he can even if he takes a financial hit from it.

So he's changing his audience. That's what I was asking. He's allowed, obviously, but he courted that kid audience. They made him as rich as he is, and he should be prepared for some backlash.
And nowhere did I say he should be miserable "just because everyone else is". I personally think he's nowhere near as happy as he projects: fake relationships, friends that are mostly bought-- those things don't bring real happiness. Neither does all the money he's raking in, nor being number 1 on YouTube. You're allowed to believe it does, but I disagree.

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