Bratayley- Barely Hanging By a Thread- Part 16

[chloesweb85]

Regarding the comments, my guess is that when Billy gave his little paychecks over to Matt the manager, he stopped monitoring the accounts. Matt is slacking.

Annie and Asher may stay together for awhile, but just based off of these comments, I wouldn’t be surprised if he is going to start pulling away. If he is like a lot of teen guys, he is getting to that point of wanting his space more than a girlfriend.

R Life and E&E parents make the Leblancs look like parents of the year. I do feel bad for all kids being exploited by their parents on YouTube, but they are two of the absolute worst. (In my opinion)

[Lisatheacrobat]

Regarding the comments, my guess is that when Billy gave his little paychecks over to Matt the manager, he stopped monitoring the accounts. Matt is slacking.

Annie and Asher may stay together for awhile, but just based off of these comments, I wouldn’t be surprised if he is going to start pulling away. If he is like a lot of teen guys, he is getting to that point of wanting his space more than a girlfriend.

R Life and E&E parents make the Leblancs look like parents of the year. I do feel bad for all kids being exploited by their parents on YouTube, but they are two of the absolute worst. (In my opinion)

I don’t Ashannie ending any time soon. I get vibes that they both need/depend on each other. Do either of them have lives outside of each other? I’m not talking about careers cause it seems like Annie is t all that busy working on herself outside of him. But I mean do either of them post anything without the other? Does he have friends outside of her? We all know she cycles through friends like seasons. But what about him? I saw comments from the minions saying that he doesn’t hang out with other girls anymore because Annie won’t let him. Not sure it’s true, but it does line up with the accusations Hayden made about being friends with Kenzie and how she was so mad and told him he couldn’t talk to her. Annie gives off major control freak vibes. She manipulated everyone around her and I’m sure she is worse off camera. Asher doesn’t seem to be an alpha male at all, to the point where people are curious if he is gay (not that gay men can’t be dominant or alpha, i know Plenty of gay men and not all of them are sissy’s). He seems like he is easily coerced and convinced. The way he talks about her and how much she “gets him” and how he was with another girl when they filmed his music video and broke up with the girl to be with Annie cause he couldn’t stop thinking about her. But some good points made will be that they will break up by his birthday solely because bad press that an 18 year old dating a 15/16 year old is not a good look and bad for his career and if he is not willing to throw away his whole future for a girl who will lose interest when the next best thing comes along, then they will probably break up. Probably months before so it looks “organic” and not because of age. Other wise, it seems like they are each other’s only friend and that is a toxic trait she will probably develop. Isolating herself to only being friends with the guy she is dating. I hope he still has guy friends and things he does that don’t include Annie outside of career stuff.

[w0mbat]

Where does Asher talk about being "creatively different"? That's hilarious.

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I drew that conclusion from the description of how Asher talks about working with her. But since he won’t putright say the girls not talented he would say something like they are creatively different... because The LeBlancs would probably black mail him if he dared to tarnish Annie’s career...

Somehow I missed the post above about the Asher interview. Now I see what you're talking about. I'll have to check it out...

Def checking out that interview. Maybe since Annie isn’t filming anymore he’s losing interest. Not gonna lie, he kinda creeps me out. I never knew an 18 year old interested in a 15 year old. Not to mention how hard he tries at 18 to keep her interested. Just something off about him to me. He seems very immature. Someone mentioned fans wondering if he’s gay, I’ve wondered that myself. Just a random thought to add, I wish they stayed in MD. YouTube became what it was because it was every day people with everyday lives.

In the same interview (i think) he mentions that she “just gets him” which to me sounds like something you say cause it sounds romantic and cute but you have nothing more in depth to say. Like she gets you...how? In your humor? Your intelligence? Your creativity and work ethic? To me saying “she just gets me” is a sign of not a strong bond. And i get That they are teenagers. But there are teens who can have relationships deeper than Tik Tok and instagram photos.

Sounds like he's describing a friendship.

I remember being around 16 when I realised I could like a guy without liking them romantically... I couldn't differentiate between friendship fondness and being romantically attracted to them.

I feel like there's prob some kind of genuine affection there but maybe not the kind they make it out to be. The whole set up gains Asher some adoring insta fans and in return, provides Annie some form of stable family situation.

PS there's a meme with a kid in spongebob PJs and he has an unimpressed look on his face... it totally looks like a 3yo Asher

[xxkittycatgirlxx]

[Lisatheacrobat]

I drew that conclusion from the description of how Asher talks about working with her. But since he won’t putright say the girls not talented he would say something like they are creatively different... because The LeBlancs would probably black mail him if he dared to tarnish Annie’s career...

Somehow I missed the post above about the Asher interview. Now I see what you're talking about. I'll have to check it out...

Def checking out that interview. Maybe since Annie isn’t filming anymore he’s losing interest. Not gonna lie, he kinda creeps me out. I never knew an 18 year old interested in a 15 year old. Not to mention how hard he tries at 18 to keep her interested. Just something off about him to me. He seems very immature. Someone mentioned fans wondering if he’s gay, I’ve wondered that myself. Just a random thought to add, I wish they stayed in MD. YouTube became what it was because it was every day people with everyday lives.

In the same interview (i think) he mentions that she “just gets him” which to me sounds like something you say cause it sounds romantic and cute but you have nothing more in depth to say. Like she gets you...how? In your humor? Your intelligence? Your creativity and work ethic? To me saying “she just gets me” is a sign of not a strong bond. And i get That they are teenagers. But there are teens who can have relationships deeper than Tik Tok and instagram photos.

Sounds like he's describing a friendship.

I remember being around 16 when I realised I could like a guy without liking them romantically... I couldn't differentiate between friendship fondness and being romantically attracted to them.

I feel like there's prob some kind of genuine affection there but maybe not the kind they make it out to be. The whole set up gains Asher some adoring insta fans and in return, provides Annie some form of stable family situation.

PS there's a meme with a kid in spongebob PJs and he has an unimpressed look on his face... it totally looks like a 3yo Asher

I remember dating in high school. It was really innocent. Holding hands in the halls, pop kisses, cuddling at lunch and then we would hang out at the mall by our house on Friday nights. But those days we weren’t acting like little adults. We weren’t sleeping in each other’s beds or flying to other states to see them or being with them exclusively every single day. Especially in Annie and Asher’s case it seems like neither of them have an individual life outside of each other. Which is why I’m hesitant to compare my relationships at that age to now because even in 2005 they say we dressed, acted and did is so different from today’s kids. They be 14 years old out there dressing and looking and acting like they are college seniors. My prom photo’s were cringy in our chiffon dresses with all the glitter on it to what they wear now looking like they are going to the Academy Awards.

I’m not saying that they are mature beyond their years just cause they have good skin care routines and can do their makeup to not look like MiMi from The Drew Carrey Show and they dress grown up. But it seems like relationships in today’s youths are much more advanced than when i was 16.

I mean I don’t have any teens and i work primarily with elementary schoolers so iido if this behavior is normal for teens in today’s world or if this behavior is just an Instagram thing cause it’s just more for their followers to envy.

[rosieposie16]

I will forever be confused as to how anyone could be attracted to him beyond gaining fame or money

[lmmomSD]

Asher used to have a life. He hung out with the cast of Andi Mack and everyone shipped him and Peyton Lee. And then Annie's minions started the shipping, and they gave Peyton Lee grief every time she stood next to him. His friends may avoid him now because of that. Wouldn't surprise me.

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[Lisatheacrobat]

Asher used to have a life. He hung out with the cast of Andi Mack and everyone shipped him and Peyton Lee. And then Annie's minions started the shipping, and they gave Peyton Lee grief every time she stood next to him. His friends may avoid him now because of that. Wouldn't surprise me.

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They said that HE stopped hanging out with his old cast mates. People claimed Annie said he couldn’t hang out with her friends. I know That she threw herself under the bus with that by claiming that she basically didn’t want Hayden talking to anyone but her especially Kenzie. But no one mentions how they bullied friends away from Asher cause the only person he was allowed to speak to is Annie and now they are bored of Ashannie...

[Lisatheacrobat]

I will forever be confused as to how anyone could be attracted to him beyond gaining fame or money

I was Thinking the same thing. She’s a pretty woman. Prettier than Katie for sure and definitely looks like someone that a man would cheat on his wife with. She looks like a woman who wants a sugar daddy. Not sure if Billy can comply since most of the channels income probably belongs to Katie. But she looks like a sugar daddy kinda lady.

[chloesweb85]

I don’t know anything about Natalie. Julian was posting happy anniversary photos of his parents while she was seeing Billy. Maybe his dad knew and they hadn’t told him yet.

What’s not attractive about an unemployed 40 year old man who exploited his kids for money and hangs out with teenagers?

Just realized something interesting (not saying it means anything).

The whole RYH, they didn’t sing LDYK, Billy did something to one of the moms fiasco and then the big break up with Hayden was March/April 2018.

Billy and Natalie were cuddled up at one of those YouTuber meet ups May 2018.

[Lisatheacrobat]

I don’t know anything about Natalie. Julian was posting happy anniversary photos of his parents while she was seeing Billy. Maybe his dad knew and they hadn’t told him yet.

What’s not attractive about an unemployed 40 year old man who exploited his kids for money and hangs out with teenagers?

Just realized something interesting (not saying it means anything).

The whole RYH, they didn’t sing LDYK, Billy did something to one of the moms fiasco and then the big break up with Hayden was March/April 2018.

Billy and Natalie were cuddled up at one of those YouTuber meet ups May 2018.

Wait, what happened? I remember them pulling LDYK, i remember them saying it was because it didn’t fit in the set or something? But i know Now to take their “excuses” with a grain of salt since the real reason is something a lot more shady and shitty than just “it didn’t fit in the set”

[chloesweb85]

I may have some details wrong, but from what I remember back in March 2018 the RYH gang was at national harbor. It was posted on Instagram before the show/Annie experience that Billy was causing a scene backstage. He demanded Annie close or he would pull her out of the show. He was “bullying” someone’s mom (I assume Haydens) and told RYH to get rid of Hayden. Haydens brother stepped in and Billy left and said Annie wasn’t doing LDYK. Pictures from that night show everyone out after the show except for the Leblancs. In the vlog you see Katie and the girls leave the next morning from the hotel alone.

[chloesweb85]

ETA: after that is when Nicole from RYH was posting “the summeralls would never demand we not work with Annie.” Then followed up with “not that Katie would do that” so that was kind of confirmation about what went down. Of course only those who were there really know.

[Lisatheacrobat]

I may have some details wrong, but from what I remember back in March 2018 the RYH gang was at national harbor. It was posted on Instagram before the show/Annie experience that Billy was causing a scene backstage. He demanded Annie close or he would pull her out of the show. He was “bullying” someone’s mom (I assume Haydens) and told RYH to get rid of Hayden. Haydens brother stepped in and Billy left and said Annie wasn’t doing LDYK. Pictures from that night show everyone out after the show except for the Leblancs. In the vlog you see Katie and the girls leave the next morning from the hotel alone.

That’s right! This was the experience that makes me think that Billy is toxic for the fame and money. And even though it’s obvious now with his YT channel and desperate videos with semi famous teens and now his crappy vlogs (someone claimed that a reason Katie and the girls quit vlogging was also cause Billy took the camera’s back and that the last few vlogs were on bad phone camera quality while Billy’s were clearly on a vlog camera). But I am sure if these unseen moments were really happening and as toxic as it sounds, it makes sense for Annie to naturally pull away from her father. But what i don’t get is why did she keep doing music? It’s not like she has a contract with anyone since she was an independent artist and no one was controlling her. She seemed to not like music and is now showing to have pulled out of music. But why now? She didn’t have to quit vlogging to quit music. If that makes sense. Like they quit vlogging, but she was talking about making and releasing an EP. is that even happening?! She completely ghosted from social media except to use her relationship to stay relevant.

But i digress. I can see Billy being toxic in that way. He needed to be that way to get his daughter to the top cause her talent wouldn’t do it for her.

[BeautyGirl]

Somehow I missed the post above about the Asher interview. Now I see what you're talking about. I'll have to check it out...

Def checking out that interview. Maybe since Annie isn’t filming anymore he’s losing interest. Not gonna lie, he kinda creeps me out. I never knew an 18 year old interested in a 15 year old. Not to mention how hard he tries at 18 to keep her interested. Just something off about him to me. He seems very immature. Someone mentioned fans wondering if he’s gay, I’ve wondered that myself. Just a random thought to add, I wish they stayed in MD. YouTube became what it was because it was every day people with everyday lives.

In the same interview (i think) he mentions that she “just gets him” which to me sounds like something you say cause it sounds romantic and cute but you have nothing more in depth to say. Like she gets you...how? In your humor? Your intelligence? Your creativity and work ethic? To me saying “she just gets me” is a sign of not a strong bond. And i get That they are teenagers. But there are teens who can have relationships deeper than Tik Tok and instagram photos.

Sounds like he's describing a friendship.

I remember being around 16 when I realised I could like a guy without liking them romantically... I couldn't differentiate between friendship fondness and being romantically attracted to them.

I feel like there's prob some kind of genuine affection there but maybe not the kind they make it out to be. The whole set up gains Asher some adoring insta fans and in return, provides Annie some form of stable family situation.

PS there's a meme with a kid in spongebob PJs and he has an unimpressed look on his face... it totally looks like a 3yo Asher

I remember dating in high school. It was really innocent. Holding hands in the halls, pop kisses, cuddling at lunch and then we would hang out at the mall by our house on Friday nights. But those days we weren’t acting like little adults. We weren’t sleeping in each other’s beds or flying to other states to see them or being with them exclusively every single day. Especially in Annie and Asher’s case it seems like neither of them have an individual life outside of each other. Which is why I’m hesitant to compare my relationships at that age to now because even in 2005 they say we dressed, acted and did is so different from today’s kids. They be 14 years old out there dressing and looking and acting like they are college seniors. My prom photo’s were cringy in our chiffon dresses with all the glitter on it to what they wear now looking like they are going to the Academy Awards.

I’m not saying that they are mature beyond their years just cause they have good skin care routines and can do their makeup to not look like MiMi from The Drew Carrey Show and they dress grown up. But it seems like relationships in today’s youths are much more advanced than when i was 16.

I mean I don’t have any teens and i work primarily with elementary schoolers so iido if this behavior is normal for teens in today’s world or if this behavior is just an Instagram thing cause it’s just more for their followers to envy.

I feel they’re more advanced nowadays because parents are no longer doing their jobs. They will make sure their kids have a roof, food, medical and for the most part school but no discipline, no rules. They prefer to be friends. Kids rule the roost. It’s disgusting. Parents don’t care about innocence actually raising their children anymore.

[BeautyGirl]

You can hear her in his vlogs. She’s usually the one holding the camera. She beautiful. I’m happy for him though. It seems Hollywood was more Katie’s thing then his. She was always jet setting back and forth from MD to CA with the kids. Then was in CA full time. I honestly think that the marriage was over way before it was actually over. One of those types of things as opposed to a bad divorce.

[lmmomSD]

You can hear her in his vlogs. She’s usually the one holding the camera. She beautiful. I’m happy for him though. It seems Hollywood was more Katie’s thing then his. She was always jet setting back and forth from MD to CA with the kids. Then was in CA full time. I honestly think that the marriage was over way before it was actually over. One of those types of things as opposed to a bad divorce.

Hollywood may have been more "Katie's thing", but Billy sure liked the money, and he certainly bullied his way around Brat and RYH. He even had a part on Chicken Girls. I don't buy for a minute that he was reluctant to be in LA. And now he's doing stupid challenge videos with young teens, desperate to hang on to a following and the easy money.

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[Lisatheacrobat]

I really Only think Katie was into the LA thing because it was a distraction and maybe even fulfilling her own teenage dream. We have said for a while it seemed like she was living vicariously through Annie. But for Billy, i think It was always about the cash flow. If stories about him throwing fits to make Annie the closing act and onstage the longest, among other things then it really says a lot about what his intentions for this whole endeavor was. Not too mention it was him who pushed Annie into singing. It wasn’t Katie. Katie just seemed to like being distracted. Even when Caleb was alive she seemed to be trying to get them into acting with the commercials and BMH. She obviously wanted that life for her kids even before Caleb passed away. But the way it seemed like she would disappear in that house. Like she couldn’t be there, had to be the one traveling with Annie instead of switching like she said she would. Her behavior in the beginning and even during the Hannie days screams stage mommy who is living her dreams through her child. But for Billy, he was obviously all about the money.

Either way, Annie was their disposable toy to use for their own selfish gain. Katie just gets away with it because her vicarious living is probably less obvious than her father who said you have to do this and then threw fits to make sure Annie was being treated better than everyone else.

[chloesweb85]

In my opinion they are equally to blame. You can’t live off the exploitation of your kids for almost ten years without both parents being all in. I agree for different reasons. I think Katie wanted famous kids whether it was for gymnastics, musically, it didn’t really matter.

I think I’ve said this before, but I think billy wants to be the star. He was making his little emo videos before Brataley. He wanted the fame for himself. Even when he attacked Liv he seemed more upset that she might gain subscribers than what she actually said. Then he meet Hayden and used him to launch Annie’s “career” and get his connections in Hollywood. When he was done, Hayden was publicly humiliated and discarded. I think billy hated the fact that Hayden grew in popularity because of “his family” Same thing happened with Katie D.

Billy puts himself in front of the camera at every opportunity. He’s in random brat episodes, Annie’s music videos, and now has his very own channel. He doesn’t need Annie, Hayley, or Katie anymore so they were also discarded. He even said they didn’t need them. He was off having the time of his life with Andrew during Christmas while his kids had to pretend they were totally cool with it.

Don’t get me wrong I hate how Katie treats Hayley and I don’t understand where it comes from. I hate that she gave up on parenting. I think Katie needs some serious therapy alone and with the girls to work all this out. I don’t have any hope for billy.

[Lisatheacrobat]

I ‘m sitting here agreeing with everything you said about Billy. I didnt Know he was in Annie’s music videos. Weird. But the way you explain how he uses people and throws them away is so true and i didn’t think about it until you said it, that when his fame became self sufficient he didn’t even need his own family anymore so he left them... in my head I’m saying that slowly to process exactly what you said because it’s so clearly true. The cheating scandal with the woman he is now seeing. He left his family. It explains why Annie wants nothing to do with him and Hayley seems even distant.

Annie might have more say now that the vlog camera’s are put away (or taken back by Billy) in continuing the career since this past year it was slowly becoming less busy. Less music is/was being produced last year. Brat even seems to be slowing down and the work she does on Nick is probably over too (did they even release the second season of LeBake Off or did it become Annie vs Hayley and was the summer pool party videos the most recent season of that?) anyways, maybe now that they are quietly ending the careers Katie can and is giving both girls equal attention. Annie’s reign as tween idol is also falling off the throne as her fans are getting pissed that she pays them no attention on Social media claiming she is busy but as we all know busy is just the code word for something bigger is happening that they will never talk about.

But thinking that if Billy really was the one who wanted the fame for himself and seeing as HE put himself in front of the camera more often than Katie and was even in all the Brat stuff and music videos and he even was in something that they filmed with Katie D and Annie before they moved to LA. Katie never did anything that would make you think she wanted the spotlight for herself but Billy always did. Now he has his own personal channel and vlogging and filming with teens and people actually watch him. He doesn’t need his own family anymore. How sick and sad for those girls that when his career was so high he didn’t need his daughters anymore, he left them. Cheated on his wife and moved on... wow... i just don’t know how people can do that. I know Others have treated their families way worse. But you abused your children by exploiting them for the world and then when they weren’t needed anymore you left...