i never got on with the throne of glass series at all very YA and not well writen
but after so many years of booktubers going on about it to nothing
but most of them get bored with books very fast and then start calling books over hyped
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^It surprises me to see that Hannah got rid of ToG when she’s such a massive fan of Cassandra Clare. Her books are far worse in my opinion.
How much do people trust the reviews of people who love the Shadowhunters to this extent? This is not from a book snobbery point of view, but I can’t help but be wary of such people’s opinions when they give CC 5 stars for every book she’s ever written. I get that different things float different boats but I’m never too sure I want to be on the same boat as them.
The Authentic Observer recently made a series criticising Cassandra Clare in in-depth detail and it was that that got me thinking. I realised I never really trusted Sasha/Hannah/Emma’s reviews whether they were sponsored or not. People like Regan and Zoe who do read the books but don’t dedicate bookshelves to the series as though in shrine to Clare, I don’t mind. I can see how the books can be enjoyable to read.
How much do people trust the reviews of people who love the Shadowhunters to this extent? This is not from a book snobbery point of view, but I can’t help but be wary of such people’s opinions when they give CC 5 stars for every book she’s ever written. I get that different things float different boats but I’m never too sure I want to be on the same boat as them.
The Authentic Observer recently made a series criticising Cassandra Clare in in-depth detail and it was that that got me thinking. I realised I never really trusted Sasha/Hannah/Emma’s reviews whether they were sponsored or not. People like Regan and Zoe who do read the books but don’t dedicate bookshelves to the series as though in shrine to Clare, I don’t mind. I can see how the books can be enjoyable to read.
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I read Clockwork Angel because it heard it was better than the City of trilogy. It was pretty terrible.hxgsandkxssxs wrote:^It surprises me to see that Hannah got rid of ToG when she’s such a massive fan of Cassandra Clare. Her books are far worse in my opinion.
How much do people trust the reviews of people who love the Shadowhunters to this extent? This is not from a book snobbery point of view, but I can’t help but be wary of such people’s opinions when they give CC 5 stars for every book she’s ever written. I get that different things float different boats but I’m never too sure I want to be on the same boat as them.
The Authentic Observer recently made a series criticising Cassandra Clare in in-depth detail and it was that that got me thinking. I realised I never really trusted Sasha/Hannah/Emma’s reviews whether they were sponsored or not. People like Regan and Zoe who do read the books but don’t dedicate bookshelves to the series as though in shrine to Clare, I don’t mind. I can see how the books can be enjoyable to read.
As for Hannah, I’m getting toward the point where I’ll probably stop subbing her. I find her reviews all over the place. One book will be criticized for something, while another is praised. Plus I’m finding that our ratings are the opposite. If I think that books she really likes are bad and vice versa, there’s really no need to keep following her since she’s not really recommending any books to me.
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i tried to get into Cassandra Clare, but just couldn't. i didn't let her past sway me.
but again she is one of those writers who the characters (i really love the idea of Magnus Bane) and story premise was interesting, but the writing itself was just so darn awful.
and note about TOG....because it was late when i wrote it and i left out something,....i meant the series got weighed down with filler when they expanded it from a trilogy to 6 plus books. and that was to add to the meh writing. i too thought it was odd that there hasn't been too much of a peep over the next book in the series or even Chaol's book when so many were creamin' over his character.
but again she is one of those writers who the characters (i really love the idea of Magnus Bane) and story premise was interesting, but the writing itself was just so darn awful.
and note about TOG....because it was late when i wrote it and i left out something,....i meant the series got weighed down with filler when they expanded it from a trilogy to 6 plus books. and that was to add to the meh writing. i too thought it was odd that there hasn't been too much of a peep over the next book in the series or even Chaol's book when so many were creamin' over his character.
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I agree - I think Hannah’s really sweet but I think that she and other BookTubers like her really pick and choose when to dislike certain attributes of characters, problematic aspects or bad writing. One mediocre book gets praised on booktube while another equally mediocre book has the misfortune of being torn into shreds. It’s like her not liking The Cruel Prince but loving TMI - both are 3/4 star reads for the average person but what she did not like about the first is what she loves about the latter. It’s confusing.Rubytadpole wrote:I read Clockwork Angel because it heard it was better than the City of trilogy. It was pretty terrible.hxgsandkxssxs wrote:^It surprises me to see that Hannah got rid of ToG when she’s such a massive fan of Cassandra Clare. Her books are far worse in my opinion.
How much do people trust the reviews of people who love the Shadowhunters to this extent? This is not from a book snobbery point of view, but I can’t help but be wary of such people’s opinions when they give CC 5 stars for every book she’s ever written. I get that different things float different boats but I’m never too sure I want to be on the same boat as them.
The Authentic Observer recently made a series criticising Cassandra Clare in in-depth detail and it was that that got me thinking. I realised I never really trusted Sasha/Hannah/Emma’s reviews whether they were sponsored or not. People like Regan and Zoe who do read the books but don’t dedicate bookshelves to the series as though in shrine to Clare, I don’t mind. I can see how the books can be enjoyable to read.
As for Hannah, I’m getting toward the point where I’ll probably stop subbing her. I find her reviews all over the place. One book will be criticized for something, while another is praised. Plus I’m finding that our ratings are the opposite. If I think that books she really likes are bad and vice versa, there’s really no need to keep following her since she’s not really recommending any books to me.
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Spoilers: Do you think that’s why she got rid of Chaol and introduced Rowan? As in Choal was the planned OTP but when she had to expand the series she had to find a reason to get rid of him and write the filler book, aka the glorified erotica that is Heir of Fire starring everyone’s favourite lightning-haired Fae prince.luvey wrote:i tried to get into Cassandra Clare, but just couldn't. i didn't let her past sway me.
but again she is one of those writers who the characters (i really love the idea of Magnus Bane) and story premise was interesting, but the writing itself was just so darn awful.
and note about TOG....because it was late when i wrote it and i left out something,....i meant the series got weighed down with filler when they expanded it from a trilogy to 6 plus books. and that was to add to the meh writing. i too thought it was odd that there hasn't been too much of a peep over the next book in the series or even Chaol's book when so many were creamin' over his character.
As someone said above, I do like the Manon/Albaxtros storyline though!
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Spoilers: Do you think that’s why she got rid of Chaol and introduced Rowan? As in Choal was the planned OTP but when she had to expand the series she had to find a reason to get rid of him and write the filler book, aka the glorified erotica that is Heir of Fire starring everyone’s favourite lightning-haired Fae prince.
As someone said above, I do like the Manon/Albaxtros storyline though!
Manon and Abraxos are pure love....especially Abraxos (and i think that was me who said it before).
i know she always had the Fae element, but i always found it "interesting" that Rowan came in like wrecking ball when the series was expanded AND during a time she was also writing ACOTAR series. before Rowan even came in, she and all of booktube into the TOG series, were drooling over Choal. when Rowan came into the storyline, she framed Choal as slightly a jerk, pushed him aside, and as you said needed to find reason for Rowan for her new OTP.
Heir of Fire absolutely jumped the shark with all the filler. i can't figure out which came first. was she writing ACOTAR and was falling so nutty for the characters/love story that she had to create Rowan into TOG. Or (which i feel is more of what happened), did she create Rowan and wanted to expand that Fae inspiration without the constraint of the structure she already created for TOG. but either way, i do believe the expansion of the series did have something to do with the path the books have taken and Rowan's expanded role.
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100% agreed. Plus she used to read, and now it feels like she’s reading way less but still accepting books for free and doing sponsored vids. That bugs me a ton.hxgsandkxssxs wrote:I agree - I think Hannah’s really sweet but I think that she and other BookTubers like her really pick and choose when to dislike certain attributes of characters, problematic aspects or bad writing. One mediocre book gets praised on booktube while another equally mediocre book has the misfortune of being torn into shreds. It’s like her not liking The Cruel Prince but loving TMI - both are 3/4 star reads for the average person but what she did not like about the first is what she loves about the latter. It’s confusing.Rubytadpole wrote:I read Clockwork Angel because it heard it was better than the City of trilogy. It was pretty terrible.hxgsandkxssxs wrote:^It surprises me to see that Hannah got rid of ToG when she’s such a massive fan of Cassandra Clare. Her books are far worse in my opinion.
How much do people trust the reviews of people who love the Shadowhunters to this extent? This is not from a book snobbery point of view, but I can’t help but be wary of such people’s opinions when they give CC 5 stars for every book she’s ever written. I get that different things float different boats but I’m never too sure I want to be on the same boat as them.
The Authentic Observer recently made a series criticising Cassandra Clare in in-depth detail and it was that that got me thinking. I realised I never really trusted Sasha/Hannah/Emma’s reviews whether they were sponsored or not. People like Regan and Zoe who do read the books but don’t dedicate bookshelves to the series as though in shrine to Clare, I don’t mind. I can see how the books can be enjoyable to read.
As for Hannah, I’m getting toward the point where I’ll probably stop subbing her. I find her reviews all over the place. One book will be criticized for something, while another is praised. Plus I’m finding that our ratings are the opposite. If I think that books she really likes are bad and vice versa, there’s really no need to keep following her since she’s not really recommending any books to me.
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Booktube convinced me to buy the entire ToG series, and I could barely get through the first book. It was stupid of me, but I'm still mad I wasted my money on them. I did, however, love ACOTAR and ACOMAF, but I despised the last book so horribly it's tainted the entire series for me. It was lazy, poorly written fanservice.
When I saw the same old booktubers praising it to high heaven, it really hit me that I have nothing in common with these people. I don't know why I ever tried taking recs when I've loathed the majority of Booktube books I've read (from the big booktubers who only exist as marketing agents for publishing companies anyway). I still remember that moment of realization that their primary concern is saying positive things about every book they're sent so they stay on good terms with their author and publisher friends. Really, what's the point of a book review channel, if all you're ever going to say is "this was so amazing, so interesting, I love it, I'm obsessed", or "I haven't read any of these but I'm sooo excited"? It's all just become a big Mean Girls-esque clique anyway. The same group of people go to the same events every year, and if you can't afford to claw your way in there, as I've seen some hangers-on do, you aren't really part of the "community" at all.
And a note on SJM-- what really turns me off from her is the way she obsessively praises this one particular fan artist, and ignores the majority of her other fans. I've never seen an author display such obsessive favoritism toward one person. I find it creepy and wrong of her to be like "thanks for all the art, everybody, but especially THIS person who is God's greatest gift!" I remember looking through her instagram comments one day, where several fans had left a note of congratulations for something, and she ignored every single person except for this artist, who also said "congratulations" and SJM was like "aah thank you so much I love you!", and she's also thanked Sasha. That's it. like... can you interact with anyone else for 3 seconds of your life? There's also something very uppity about her that rubs me the wrong way. I notice she's been cut out of her former author circle of friends entirely, and I can't help but wonder what went down.
Anyway, Caleb has become the only person in the booktube sphere I'll watch anymore. We don't share a reading taste (I love Colleen Hoover and don't read YA anymore), but he's great fun to watch, and has a refreshing maturity and honesty I've never seen from the 20+ year olds who have been Booktubing for years. I'm also glad for him that he found a sponsorship that works for him. I don't doubt at all that he'll give anything but brutal honesty whether his content is sponsored or not. I can't say I have that faith in anyone else.
When I saw the same old booktubers praising it to high heaven, it really hit me that I have nothing in common with these people. I don't know why I ever tried taking recs when I've loathed the majority of Booktube books I've read (from the big booktubers who only exist as marketing agents for publishing companies anyway). I still remember that moment of realization that their primary concern is saying positive things about every book they're sent so they stay on good terms with their author and publisher friends. Really, what's the point of a book review channel, if all you're ever going to say is "this was so amazing, so interesting, I love it, I'm obsessed", or "I haven't read any of these but I'm sooo excited"? It's all just become a big Mean Girls-esque clique anyway. The same group of people go to the same events every year, and if you can't afford to claw your way in there, as I've seen some hangers-on do, you aren't really part of the "community" at all.
And a note on SJM-- what really turns me off from her is the way she obsessively praises this one particular fan artist, and ignores the majority of her other fans. I've never seen an author display such obsessive favoritism toward one person. I find it creepy and wrong of her to be like "thanks for all the art, everybody, but especially THIS person who is God's greatest gift!" I remember looking through her instagram comments one day, where several fans had left a note of congratulations for something, and she ignored every single person except for this artist, who also said "congratulations" and SJM was like "aah thank you so much I love you!", and she's also thanked Sasha. That's it. like... can you interact with anyone else for 3 seconds of your life? There's also something very uppity about her that rubs me the wrong way. I notice she's been cut out of her former author circle of friends entirely, and I can't help but wonder what went down.
Anyway, Caleb has become the only person in the booktube sphere I'll watch anymore. We don't share a reading taste (I love Colleen Hoover and don't read YA anymore), but he's great fun to watch, and has a refreshing maturity and honesty I've never seen from the 20+ year olds who have been Booktubing for years. I'm also glad for him that he found a sponsorship that works for him. I don't doubt at all that he'll give anything but brutal honesty whether his content is sponsored or not. I can't say I have that faith in anyone else.
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Would y'all recommend to read TOG/ACOTAR? Tbh Ive been trying to avoid them because I'm not overly keen on YA book series, but I feel like it's just gotta be done eventually.
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I would recommend ACOTAR but not TOG. TOG is very similar to some other YA books (The Hunger Games comes to mind as Celena is so much like Katniss in my eyes) but I think ACOTAR isn't that bad, I really enjoyed the series. I came to the series late so I don't see the fanservice side of the last novel, but there are some dodgy plotlines. ACOTAR and ACOMAF are definitely worth your time though.musiclover12 wrote:Would y'all recommend to read TOG/ACOTAR? Tbh Ive been trying to avoid them because I'm not overly keen on YA book series, but I feel like it's just gotta be done eventually.
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i haven't read ACOTAR because of TOG. i'm only reading TOG because i want to see how it ends, invested too much time getting to know the characters.musiclover12 wrote:Would y'all recommend to read TOG/ACOTAR? Tbh Ive been trying to avoid them because I'm not overly keen on YA book series, but I feel like it's just gotta be done eventually.
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BUT, i would recommend SJM's The Assassin's Blade which she wrote after the first TOG. it is like a prequel which really should have been in the first book, or as the real first book and not a .05. it is pretty stand alone, and the stories written within it are entertaining.
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I have noticed Sarah only praising certain people and it's one reason I don't support her anymore. I also noticed how no other authors seem to talk to her anymore, nor does she have any contact with them. She used to go to all the book cons and now she doesn't. I def think something happened.
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No, lol. I made it through 2.5 books in the TOG series and gave up (and that was years ago when I was still reading some young adult). They are awful. If you are not keen on YA, then you more than likely won't enjoy these books.musiclover12 wrote:Would y'all recommend to read TOG/ACOTAR? Tbh Ive been trying to avoid them because I'm not overly keen on YA book series, but I feel like it's just gotta be done eventually.
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What do you guys think of The Kingkiller series? I know Regan and Caz love it, but I’m wondering if others have read it here too. I’ve bought the first book and it’s waiting dutifully on my shelf, waiting to be read, but I’m scared of going into it with expectations too high
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I have never been able to look at SJM's books the same way after reading 1 and 2 star reviews on Goodreads. There were always little things that nagged at me when I read/listened to them at first but now it's obvious to me what I didn't care for.
There's one review that I've shown to a few people before as well that compares a book from TOG and ACOTAR, with like side by side comparisons of quotations. It was her taking the same thing and twisting it to match the different characters and ever since then I can't get past that laziness in her writing. The excessive use of keywords and ellipses and hyphens also killed it for me. She's just definitely not my cup of tea.
I also wondered why I never heard much buzz from her. I never see her included with author-y things.
As for the Kingkiller series I haven't read it yet! I think I'll really like it though. I personally enjoy some dense fantasy books, like The Sword of Shannara and The Wheel of Time. I generally don't trust Regan's opinions and even Caz I still take with a grain of salt, but I think that book is worth checking out.
Honestly whenever it comes to books that I'm iffy about reading I might try to seek out a review on youtube. Mostly I just go onto Goodreads and read a few low star reviews. From there you can kind of decide if what that person disliked is something that would hinder your own enjoyment.
There's one review that I've shown to a few people before as well that compares a book from TOG and ACOTAR, with like side by side comparisons of quotations. It was her taking the same thing and twisting it to match the different characters and ever since then I can't get past that laziness in her writing. The excessive use of keywords and ellipses and hyphens also killed it for me. She's just definitely not my cup of tea.
I also wondered why I never heard much buzz from her. I never see her included with author-y things.
As for the Kingkiller series I haven't read it yet! I think I'll really like it though. I personally enjoy some dense fantasy books, like The Sword of Shannara and The Wheel of Time. I generally don't trust Regan's opinions and even Caz I still take with a grain of salt, but I think that book is worth checking out.
Honestly whenever it comes to books that I'm iffy about reading I might try to seek out a review on youtube. Mostly I just go onto Goodreads and read a few low star reviews. From there you can kind of decide if what that person disliked is something that would hinder your own enjoyment.
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teacupgiraffe wrote: I also wondered why I never heard much buzz from her. I never see her included with author-y things.
Apparently, she's a huge bitch to other authors. From what I've read she'll befriend a not-so-successful author (Susan Dennard, Victoria Aveyard etc.) and then when they become successful/gain a decent following she cuts them off completely. There's a vid where she and Dennard are on a panel together I think at a bookcon and they don't even acknowledge each other, which is weird considering Dennard's book Truthwitch was inspired by their friendship.
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THE TEAAAA, How did I miss this?
https://www.google.com.br/amp/s/amp.red ... r_friends/
(could anyone who bought the new Court book check the thank you notes at the end? I never made it past tog 4 buy there was always a huuuuuge declaration of friendship to SD)
This could also explain Sasha's silence about the release of SJM new book. When Empire of Storm came out Sasha was super happy because she was included in the thank you section, oh my god sarah is my bff!!!!!! And now... nothing! Her silence is the most strange imo
https://www.google.com.br/amp/s/amp.red ... r_friends/
(could anyone who bought the new Court book check the thank you notes at the end? I never made it past tog 4 buy there was always a huuuuuge declaration of friendship to SD)
This could also explain Sasha's silence about the release of SJM new book. When Empire of Storm came out Sasha was super happy because she was included in the thank you section, oh my god sarah is my bff!!!!!! And now... nothing! Her silence is the most strange imo
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I usually like Lala's videos because she has some great ideas, but this new readathon already annoys me because of course they're buddyreading a brand new release which only comes out today, the second day of the readathon. I have zero interest in participating but I just looked at Amazon and where I live the book won't be available until the 13th, the last day of the readathon. Obviously you're not forced to join in with the buddyread, you can just read other books, but it feels a bit like Penguin might have thought "hmm, how could we make more people preorder this book?" It's like the Booktubeathon all over again, except Ariel straight up admitted that it was Penguin's idea.
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That was me when I read the first one. I actually didn't mind them until the third one, when I noticed things would be going downhill for Chaol and that Celaena and Rowan wouldn't stay mutual besties. That's when I was like ehhhh, nah. Queen of Shadows just cemented all of my distaste and that was when I tried to give it the benefit of the doubt after reading negative reviews.CrystallineKitty wrote:I read the first TOG and I enjoyed it. It's okay for what it is. I liked the cheesiness of it. But I don't read much YA so I was pretty tolerant of its misgivings. It was just fun.
That's crazy about all that drama with SJM though! I'm so not savvy with keeping up with booktubers and authors on social media. I just have the few that I follow on Insta and beyond that I'm clueless with going to twitter and reddit.
I might try to get in contact with an old friend. I'm positive that she has beta read or had a hand in something with TOG in its very early days. She didn't mention a lot of books years ago but I remember when I first saw Throne of Glass at the library two years ago it kind of slapped me with a memory. She might know something else haha.
Also with Lala I was really surprised! She's so gung-ho about staying within her tastes and commenting on her dislike for fantasy, so I was confused at first about Undead Girl Gang. I knew what it was about before her readathon so I was like Lala and zombies....? Maybe I've missed similar books she's read before but hearing that it was sponsored I was like uuuugh.