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Re: Smaller, lesser talked about bloggers.

Post by kaylee » Tue Nov 04, 2014 2:38 am

who_ami wrote:Well, if they're getting paid for it, technically they can call themselves professional writers...
Quite an insult to real writers/journalists don't you think?

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Re: Smaller, lesser talked about bloggers.

Post by IMZ-xo » Tue Nov 04, 2014 3:16 am

kaylee wrote:
who_ami wrote:Well, if they're getting paid for it, technically they can call themselves professional writers...
Quite an insult to real writers/journalists don't you think?
Not really. Get off your high horse. If a blogger is getting paid for WRITING how can you say they're not a professional writer?

Anybody can be a writer. The difference between a PROFESSIONAL writer and an average writer is one gets paid and the other doesn't. Simple.

It might not seem correct because they're not qualified in it or haven't wrote for publications or written a book, but it still holds true. They're getting paid for their writing.

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Re: Smaller, lesser talked about bloggers.

Post by kaylee » Tue Nov 04, 2014 4:14 am

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who_ami wrote:Well, if they're getting paid for it, technically they can call themselves professional writers...
Quite an insult to real writers/journalists don't you think?
Not really. Get off your high horse. If a blogger is getting paid for WRITING how can you say they're not a professional writer?

Anybody can be a writer. The difference between a PROFESSIONAL writer and an average writer is one gets paid and the other doesn't. Simple.

It might not seem correct because they're not qualified in it or haven't wrote for publications or written a book, but it still holds true. They're getting paid for their writing.
I'd still refer them as paid bloggers, never PROFESSIONAL writers. I could never reduce professional bloggers to just bloggers. Some writers have passion, and bloggers, well mostly wants popularity.

And technical writers who do SEO/web content, for me, are still writers.

Writers have to do a lot of critical thinking --- identify a topic (that may revolve around a product or service), a tone, they incorporate their writing syle while keeping it formal (usually). They ensure grammar and spelling checks. They have editors as well. They need to have a foundation, a background in writing.

Bloggers ---- it's all about the product/service AND them. Yes, THEM. No need for writing experience. Heck, post gazillion photos and a brief description and they're done!
Think about those research papers you have written and compare it to a blogger's entry. Don't you think you deserve a pat on the back?

It's not being on a high horse. Profesional writing has a lot of work compare to blogging. Once published, it's out there. For blogging, you can still edit it and just say oops. And even if one points the edit out, who cares right? It is your blog and you are just human.

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Re: Smaller, lesser talked about bloggers.

Post by IMZ-xo » Tue Nov 04, 2014 6:10 am

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kaylee wrote:
who_ami wrote:Well, if they're getting paid for it, technically they can call themselves professional writers...
Quite an insult to real writers/journalists don't you think?
Not really. Get off your high horse. If a blogger is getting paid for WRITING how can you say they're not a professional writer?

Anybody can be a writer. The difference between a PROFESSIONAL writer and an average writer is one gets paid and the other doesn't. Simple.

It might not seem correct because they're not qualified in it or haven't wrote for publications or written a book, but it still holds true. They're getting paid for their writing.
I'd still refer them as paid bloggers, never PROFESSIONAL writers. I could never reduce professional bloggers to just bloggers. Some writers have passion, and bloggers, well mostly wants popularity.

And technical writers who do SEO/web content, for me, are still writers.

Writers have to do a lot of critical thinking --- identify a topic (that may revolve around a product or service), a tone, they incorporate their writing syle while keeping it formal (usually). They ensure grammar and spelling checks. They have editors as well. They need to have a foundation, a background in writing.

Bloggers ---- it's all about the product/service AND them. Yes, THEM. No need for writing experience. Heck, post gazillion photos and a brief description and they're done!
Think about those research papers you have written and compare it to a blogger's entry. Don't you think you deserve a pat on the back?

It's not being on a high horse. Profesional writing has a lot of work compare to blogging. Once published, it's out there. For blogging, you can still edit it and just say oops. And even if one points the edit out, who cares right? It is your blog and you are just human.
I think you're referring to the average blogger who writes about makeup, things they buy, what they done in their day, etc. which is not what I would call a professional writer, you're right. That would be a disgrace for actual pro writers.

I'm talking about bloggers who have actually turned their blogging in to a business and pursue blogging as a passive or full-on career. Those bloggers who actually write proper article-type of posts which provide actual value to their readers.

Those sort of people put A LOT of effort into their content and plan things out meticulously just like a writer would plan out an article. Don't undermine the work that they do.

Yeah blogs are focused around people usually and it can be all about me me me but if that's the angle they wish to pursue and it works and they have something valuable to add, why not? But that being said, the biggest and most respected bloggers don't do that and when they do share parts on their lives, it's to enforce a point. Not to brag or make themselves the centre of attention.

Let me rephrase my previous comment, I wouldn't call ALL bloggers who get paid professional writers but their are some who deserve the title. And it's probably not the kind of blogger you're thinking of.

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Re: Smaller, lesser talked about bloggers.

Post by kaylee » Tue Nov 04, 2014 10:04 am

^^ uhm yes, that is the point. i would give them a title if they were actually doing something similar to a professional writer (i.e. an actual writer posting his/her articles to a blog) but i wont say that they're just a writer OR a blogger. I'd call them both --- like how some chefs are food bloggers and you call them both: a chef and a blogger. Or those in publication/magazines... because as a blogger, they only represent themselves while in their real day work they represent an institution/industry.

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Re: Smaller, lesser talked about bloggers.

Post by ahint » Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:23 am

I think I've mentioned Rachel Anise, who writes at the beauty professor before. This girl is quite sneaky with her affiliate links. In her recent video on YT, Beauty Professor Current Fall Makeup Routine Tutorial, her description box says "Products (with links to their respective reviews etc.) Discussed". Most of them are affiliate links, yet no mention of that. Just mentions links to respective reviews. Someone asked her in the comments if those are affiliate links and she says something like its a mix of both and its to help her readers find products easily. Like they cannot google it. She links to her disclosure page, which doesn't mean anything at all. Absolutely NO mention of saying these are affiliate links which makes her super unethical.

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Re: Smaller, lesser talked about bloggers.

Post by Flo Kennedy » Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:31 pm

It's absolutely awful when they do that and don't even mention that they're affiliate links! I'm not sure if it's a legal requirement though? I should think so if they're earning money from it, but that's a bit of a grey area for me! Very unethical as you said, either way!

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Re: Smaller, lesser talked about bloggers.

Post by fingerpaints » Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:28 am

This blog I can't even

http://poutybloom30.wordpress.com/

1) I know we don't all have impeccable spelling and grammar skills, but if you're writing for an audience and you struggle, please do use spellcheck.
2) Her 'gucci haul' showed pictures of products in boxes. That's it.
3) Those W7 shadows are budget, sure, but they look baaaad.

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Re: Smaller, lesser talked about bloggers.

Post by INdifferent » Thu Nov 06, 2014 11:49 pm

^^ Just checked out this blog and the first post:

"I was sent this for review, ive always seen W7 but never really given this brand a go and im very happy that i was fortunate to"

She really can't be bothered can she? English is my second language, I also blog, I take hours writing one blog post to make sure 1. my spelling/grammar is correct and 2. it's easily readable. Not only is she not finishing her sentences who writes (ive) - come on! :x :roll: :roll:
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Re: Smaller, lesser talked about bloggers.

Post by Desert Wind » Sat Nov 08, 2014 3:30 pm

FTC regs state that bloggers are supposed to disclose press samples, affiliate links in use, if a post is sponsored at the beginning of the post before any links that would lead a reader to a site to make a purchase that would net the blogger a commission or other benefit. Bloggers should also post the same disclosures at the end of the post. Bloggers/vloggers who don't disclose are unethical.
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Re: Smaller, lesser talked about bloggers.

Post by xfactor » Sun Nov 09, 2014 3:11 pm

I think all bloggers *should* disclose, but is the FTC stuff actually enforced? and i think that applies to US bloggers only, am i right?

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Smaller, lesser talked about bloggers.

Post by IMZ-xo » Sun Nov 09, 2014 3:35 pm

xfactor wrote:I think all bloggers *should* disclose, but is the FTC stuff actually enforced? and i think that applies to US bloggers only, am i right?
It's not enforced and yes, it's only applicable to US bloggers.

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Post by Flo Kennedy » Sat Nov 15, 2014 4:48 pm

The more I look at this girl's blog since mentioning it on here before, the more I can tell what kind of person she is. By just going from her About page, it seems she is trying to attempt to create this 'cool' alter ego on her blog, but frankly some of her makeup/beauty posts are awful.

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The bottom right photo makes me crack up! ALSO what's with the random scrolling social media icons?! After trying to chase them with my mouse for what seemed like an age, I also came across some cringe-worthy YouTube content - *you're not the only one that doesn't go out clubbing, love.* I'll leave this here for you guys to decide what you think but maybe she should consider growing out her eyebrows

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Post by ahint » Mon Nov 17, 2014 2:20 pm

Beauty Gypsy is a blog I absolutely loathe. She has NO talent whatsoever. I can't believe PR folks from Burberry, Laura Mercier, etc send her stuff. She does not have disclaimers and her makeup is pathetically applied always!

- Horrible eye makeup with some ugly photoshopped blurs around the eyes. I can't believe ppl are dumb enough to ask her to teach them.

- Talks about a burberry lipstick as a "love", but when someone asks in the comment she says she'll go home and tell them the color name..can't remember. Wth?!! So much for loving it.

So annoying she also keeps leaving comments on Charlotte Tilbury's Instagram photos saying come take a look at my feed, I've featured your products. Screams free samples to me!

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Re: Smaller, lesser talked about bloggers.

Post by Flo Kennedy » Mon Nov 17, 2014 3:44 pm

That first Instagram photo is all kinds of wrong.

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Re: Smaller, lesser talked about bloggers.

Post by twinkles » Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:01 pm

OMG that first instagram picture! The blurring is out of control, surely people can see that? Or are people just thick? the application is horrendous too!

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Re: Smaller, lesser talked about bloggers.

Post by INdifferent » Tue Nov 18, 2014 11:12 pm

^^ Such random spots of blurring! I love the lid color it's a beautiful bronze but honestly, there's nothing to it. When you blur something blur properly please. How is she getting over a 100 likes for that? Lol :rofl:
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Post by ahint » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:25 am

Ugly right? I'm pretty sure this is her job, can she not learn some proper editing techniques. Guess there's no time left after going from one product launch to another, having afternoon teas and taking bad IG pics. She never gives any product a bad review, esp if they are PR samples. I've tried some of those prods and they are crap. Plus, calls herself beauty consultant and how she's showered with mails everyday for product recs. Yeah right! Pretty sure she also bought some followers on IG. Everywhere else she has like 100-200 and for someone with 5k IG followers her pics seem to be getting 100 ish likes max which is so weird.

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Post by INdifferent » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:08 pm

^^ She doesn't think a lot of herself clearly ;) lol yeah so many bloggers have fake followers. A local blogger here has over 5000 followers on IG and gets on average 10 likes on her pics. Makes no sense and I don't see the point of that, I'd much rather have 50 followers with 30 likes.
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Post by ahint » Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:04 am

Did anyone catch thenonblonde's post about bad blogger behaviour? I'm not a fan of thenonblonde, esp when she writes about fashion, but I felt like the post was targeted towards blogggers like sabrina (beautylookbook), beautyprofessor and rawview. Tons of sponsored posts lately and NO disclosing of affiliates (esp. sabrina and rae). Also karen of MBB, why does she need it to be a sponsored post of do a giveaway? I don't like her blog either... she never rates anything badly its always B or C however bad the product is. I've lost any trust I had in her reviews.

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Post by Penny H » Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:34 pm

Flo Kennedy wrote:The more I look at this girl's blog since mentioning it on here before, the more I can tell what kind of person she is. By just going from her About page, it seems she is trying to attempt to create this 'cool' alter ego on her blog, but frankly some of her makeup/beauty posts are awful.

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The bottom right photo makes me crack up! ALSO what's with the random scrolling social media icons?! After trying to chase them with my mouse for what seemed like an age, I also came across some cringe-worthy YouTube content - *you're not the only one that doesn't go out clubbing, love.* I'll leave this here for you guys to decide what you think but maybe she should consider growing out her eyebrows

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eesh, you're right. she certainly thinks highly of herself - http://www.ramblingofabeautyblogger.com ... k-you.html it was just a compliment, dear, get over yourself. attention seeker.

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Re: Smaller, lesser talked about bloggers.

Post by xfactor » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:03 pm

^that's really, really embarrassing. I have severe cringe going on here.

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Re: Smaller, lesser talked about bloggers.

Post by ohsotwee » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:32 pm

^i hate to give this person traffic but Jesus Christ woman get a grip

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Re: Smaller, lesser talked about bloggers.

Post by Flo Kennedy » Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:39 am

Oh but it gets better. Her tips for today - "4. Be interesting because, in short, no one's going to read your posts if you're not.".

So, erm, what ever happened to just being yourself? She's basically saying if you don't seem cool enough, don't bother! Someone slap some sense into this girl.

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Re: Smaller, lesser talked about bloggers.

Post by FrillyLilly » Sun Jan 04, 2015 9:32 am

Has anyone encountered FromRosesxo?
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