Couchella: 280390 days of relaxation - Part 51

[Kit167]

Yeah I thought the whole therapy thing with Alfie was a bit strange, I felt he wasn't being completely honest as to why he's having therapy. You don't just have therapy for no reason, especially for 4 hrs over the space of two days. Its his business what he's seeing someone for and he doesn't have to say, but why mention it at all then, I suppose maybe he wanted to promote it, cos he got so much out of it. I do agree that looking after your mind and emotions is just as important as your body, tho I don't think Zoe came up with that herself, I think a therapist probably told her that and it's nothing to be embarrassed about, but he must know that ppl will speculate about why

If they are having problems in their relationship then therapy can only help and it's a good thing, but they always seem to me to get on really well anyway. I wonder if he's getting therapy for a gambling addiction maybe, he seems to go to the casino a lot or likes playing poker and he's not always gonna let ppl know when he's goin, maybe he lost a lot of money and Zoe got worried. He seems to me to be the type to have an addictive personality. Maybe his moods are very up and down like a mild form of bipolar, which is nothing to be ashamed of.

Also it does seem to sound like he's seeing more of a life coach than a therapist.

[EffyStonem]

From what Alfie said in the vlog it sounded more like he needs a life coach than a therapist. But then again, I'm sure he would need therapy after living and being in a relationship with Zoe for years. Maybe they are having couples therapy and he doesn't want to admit it.
I wish he'd have acknowledged how lucky he is to afford to see a therapist for two hours at a time, twice in one week when he said himself he doesn't even have any issues he needs to work on. A lot of people in the UK with serious mental health problems are desperate for treatment and have to wait months on end on waiting lists before a spot becomes available, and even once they can start there is a limit on the amount of sessions you can have.
Funny how Zoe manages to convince everyone around her that they have anxiety etc though. I remember when she was first hanging out with Tanya a lot and Tarn was always talking about having anxiety and how they both never drunk caffeine because they were both such ~anxious people.~ These days Tarn doesn't say a thing about it and can't go a day without a latte I think Zoe just has a way of sucking everyone into her black hole.

This is true and also very dangerous. The way Zoe talks about it to her young viewers is worrying. She doesn't seem to be able to distinguish between feeling anxious sometimes and actually having an anxiety disorder. She has said before that "everyone has anxiety" but this simply isn't true. There'll be young girls at home who watch her and might get panicky about something once, or even have a panic attack once (possibly in a scary situation) and think that they have an anxiety disorder when they don't.

So true. I noticed whenever she tweets or instagrams, or even mentions in a video something about her anxiety ALL THE COMMENTS are girls saying they have anxiety too. Her fanbase can't 100% have anxiety can they? I get working on destigmatizing it but normalizing it so much to the point where girls who feel slightly anxious towards things that would make anyone anxious self-diagnose themselves with anxiety disorder is dangerous. There are many people out there who need actual help and are on waitlists for months at a time.

They think not sleeping well before a big exam or being nervous for a class presentation is them having anxiety disorder lol

[GleamOnAStick]

Well they did at least tweet about it along with some other members of gleam.

But there are two members of gleam Hannah Maggs (her thread is on here under the non guru list) & husband Stefan Michalak known as The Michalaks on YouTube who didn't even acknowledge it at all on twitter, but instead he put up an ad for compare the market their new sponsors who are paying for their big house in Bath. Plus Hannah was posting pictures of baby clothes and advertising a blogpost of hers about her pregnancy on the day of the attacks, It shows a real self absorbed, insensitive greedy aspect to them

Not a fan of Louise or Zalfie or any of the other gleamers btw and I think YTs are self centred people by nature anyway, but at least some of them acknowledged it first even if it was before their usual greedy selves kicked back in. But The Michalaks they're something else and they are parents???

At least they'll mention it in their video on Sunday though (probably as an excuse for Stef to rant about what's wrong with this country). I'm shocked that Alfie didn't even wish safety and love for any of his fans caught up in the events. You'd think the crossover between Zalfie and Ariana Grande fans is pretty high, so seeing Alfie sympathise with their anguish and offer visual support would probably mean a lot to the kids who genuinely look up to him as some kind of role model.

But no, let's golf instead...

[blairwaldorf8]

Well they did at least tweet about it along with some other members of gleam.

But there are two members of gleam Hannah Maggs (her thread is on here under the non guru list) & husband Stefan Michalak known as The Michalaks on YouTube who didn't even acknowledge it at all on twitter, but instead he put up an ad for compare the market their new sponsors who are paying for their big house in Bath. Plus Hannah was posting pictures of baby clothes and advertising a blogpost of hers about her pregnancy on the day of the attacks, It shows a real self absorbed, insensitive greedy aspect to them

Not a fan of Louise or Zalfie or any of the other gleamers btw and I think YTs are self centred people by nature anyway, but at least some of them acknowledged it first even if it was before their usual greedy selves kicked back in. But The Michalaks they're something else and they are parents???

At least they'll mention it in their video on Sunday though (probably as an excuse for Stef to rant about what's wrong with this country). I'm shocked that Alfie didn't even wish safety and love for any of his fans caught up in the events. You'd think the crossover between Zalfie and Ariana Grande fans is pretty high, so seeing Alfie sympathise with their anguish and offer visual support would probably mean a lot to the kids who genuinely look up to him as some kind of role model.

But no, let's golf instead...

One of the girls was a Youtuber fan and had selfies taken with Joe Sugg and Tyler Oakley. I cried when I saw the photos. Poor girl.

[Guest]

The whole lot of them are infuriating. How is it that mega stars/celebrities can remain so down to earth and yet these YouTubers make videos and their egos explode?

I once read from an interview with Opera Winfrey where she has this theories, where if you was a nice person before you got famous you will continue and be even nicer. However if you are mean diva bitch, then you will be even meaner and bitchier. She phrased it by saying how famous people mood is often magnified a 100 time more then someone who isn't famous.

It just made me think of the whole Youtuber crowd.

[Surfglitz03]

The whole lot of them are infuriating. How is it that mega stars/celebrities can remain so down to earth and yet these YouTubers make videos and their egos explode?

I once read from an interview with Opera Winfrey where she has this theories, where if you was a nice person before you got famous you will continue and be even nicer. However if you are mean diva bitch, then you will be even meaner and bitchier. She phrased it by saying how famous people mood is often magnified a 100 time more then someone who isn't famous.

It just made me think of the whole Youtuber crowd.

That's interesting! Also I think celebrities can be more down to earth because most of them had to work hard to get to where they're at now with no to little financial support. Compared to YouTubers who made videos in the comfort of their own home

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[Lavender Earl Grey]

I wish she would tell her fans that research says exercise can relieve anxiety and depression (especially minor). Physical and mental health go hand in hand, sorry to break it to those who would prefer staying in bed and eating junk food.

Fox, K. R. (1999). The influence of physical activity on mental well-being. Public Health Nutrition, 2(3), 411-418.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10610081

[toryvilla]

The girl is loaded and doesn't spend much, why the need to flogg overpriced watches to young girls.

What is her end game? The house is probably paid off and enough money to live off in the bank and the royalties keep rolling in. But she never seems to do anything despite being able to do so much.

[pugzjen]

I wish she would tell her fans that research says exercise can relieve anxiety and depression (especially minor). Physical and mental health go hand in hand, sorry to break it to those who would prefer staying in bed and eating junk food.

Fox, K. R. (1999). The influence of physical activity on mental well-being. Public Health Nutrition, 2(3), 411-418.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10610081

I agree and the way she said it before in his vlog was like she was so wise "oh ppl always wanna keep their physical health in check" but alot of ppl do sports etc cz it releases them endorphins and helps alleviate stress etc and it is like she is denying trying to change her lifestyle so so much. she cant even go to a therapists office after years of counselling and she continues to spout this bullshit and has Alfie who admittedly has no mental health or problems saying it too. so annoying.

[BaskingShark]

Totally agree with Lavender Earl Grey and Pugzjen. I’ve had therapy in the past with multiple therapists and all have recommended the same thing: If you have a serious mental condition then you need to face it in three ways: Receive medical help/medication, have regular therapy, and maintain a healthy lifestyle. By only doing one or two instead of all three you seriously reduce your chances of making progress with your mental illness.

This (I hate to say it) Tumblr-esque idea that “I don’t need to change myself” or “people who try to make me eat better/exercise are body shaming haters” is totally wrong. I completely agree that simply working out or eating better isn’t going to magically solve all your problems. However, as stated above, to see real results in your mental health you need medical help AND therapy AND good lifestyle. Cutting corners and calling it progress while your fans applauded you is simply disturbing and is going to prompt a generation of girls who are either self-diagnosing themselves or won’t let others help them when they have serious problems.

[HeadFullofDreams]

The problem is, if you pay a therapist then they'll see you even if you don't need the therapy, even if it's only for one or two sessions. The anxiety thing is a real sticking point for me and it's what someone has already said. I feel like they are completely undermining everything to do with anxiety and mental health because all of a sudden it's 'fashionable' to be diagnosed with an anxiety disorder. Too many young people are mistaking feelings of unease and worrying thoughts as 'anxiety' and it's because of people like this that the real cases perhaps don't get the notice or attention they need.

If they want to be helpful then they need to discuss the symptoms of anxiety properly and share ways to spot if something isn't quite right instead of talking about it as if it's a bad cold that everyone can get!

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[blairwaldorf8]

The problem is, if you pay a therapist then they'll see you even if you don't need the therapy, even if it's only for one or two sessions. The anxiety thing is a real sticking point for me and it's what someone has already said. I feel like they are completely undermining everything to do with anxiety and mental health because all of a sudden it's 'fashionable' to be diagnosed with an anxiety disorder. Too many young people are mistaking feelings of unease and worrying thoughts as 'anxiety' and it's because of people like this that the real cases perhaps don't get the notice or attention they need.

If they want to be helpful then they need to discuss the symptoms of anxiety properly and share ways to spot if something isn't quite right instead of talking about it as if it's a bad cold that everyone can get!

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Couldn't agree more. You've all hit the nail on the head. Just because Zoe suffers from anxiety and possibly depression doesn't mean she's an expert in those areas, is educated on mental health disorders or is a good source of advice. She's clearly struggling with overcoming her anxiety or even just being able to live day to day life properly so she is no position to dish out advice.

I wish her and other social influencers would stop preaching this "mental health is a part of you just accept it and live with it" spiel. Yes mental health is an extremely complex thing and in some cases it's not "curable" but in many others there's things someone can do too reduce the effects and improve the situation. Exercise, having regular routine, keeping hygenic and little things like that are all great ways to boost your mood.

[Kit167]

Well they did at least tweet about it along with some other members of gleam.

But there are two members of gleam Hannah Maggs (her thread is on here under the non guru list) & husband Stefan Michalak known as The Michalaks on YouTube who didn't even acknowledge it at all on twitter, but instead he put up an ad for compare the market their new sponsors who are paying for their big house in Bath. Plus Hannah was posting pictures of baby clothes and advertising a blogpost of hers about her pregnancy on the day of the attacks, It shows a real self absorbed, insensitive greedy aspect to them

Not a fan of Louise or Zalfie or any of the other gleamers btw and I think YTs are self centred people by nature anyway, but at least some of them acknowledged it first even if it was before their usual greedy selves kicked back in. But The Michalaks they're something else and they are parents???

At least they'll mention it in their video on Sunday though (probably as an excuse for Stef to rant about what's wrong with this country). I'm shocked that Alfie didn't even wish safety and love for any of his fans caught up in the events. You'd think the crossover between Zalfie and Ariana Grande fans is pretty high, so seeing Alfie sympathise with their anguish and offer visual support would probably mean a lot to the kids who genuinely look up to him as some kind of role model.

But no, let's golf instead...

Yeah Stef will probably mention it but as always he'll make it about him, with some self indulgent piece to camera or some depressing melancholic footage, complete with his usual dreary music choices, like the usual depressing bore he is.

I am surprised there was no mention on Alfie's vlog, especially as one of the girls who died actually went to a meet up of his, he showed her picture on twitter. If that was me I would have sat there with Zoe on the vlog and said how sad they were to here of her death and condolences to her family and everyone else and their families and maybe given their viewers some advice on how to deal with the tragedy and some useful numbers. Maybe his only way of dealing with it was to talk about how important therapy is and promoting that, maybe he didn't want to upset his viewers. It seems like Jonathan Joly (of all people!) was the only one who addressed it on video that seemed the appropriate response I thought, even tho he is a twat most of the time

[moonlightpixie]

Alfie tweets Ed Sheeran all the time like their buddies but he can't even mention Ariana and what happened in Manchester.
He doesn't care as long as he doesn't have any free tickets to a concert,

[Wombat]

I've said it before, I'll say it again - Zoe needs to specify the difference between anxiety, the emotional response, and an anxiety disorder. She speaks about her "anxiety," indicating her disorder, but mixes it in with feeling anxious so often that anyone emotionally invested in her can't help but assume the emotional response of anxiety is one and the same as an anxiety disorder. I can't help but feel that the majority of people discussing their anxiety right back are discussing an emotional response to a stressful situation, or even sub-clinical anxious tendencies, but with the limited information they've received they just think "I'm like Zoe!" and never seek further clarification from a health professional.

Considering Zoe was once apparently a mental health advocate, she doesn't half screw with the minds of her fans. First she encourages them to self-diagnose anxiety disorders, then encourages people to take up expensive therapy sessions without any mental health issues to resolve.
All they really need to say is - if you think your mental health is suffering, see a professional - your GP is a good place to start. If you don't think your mental health is suffering, but want a bit of direction, try a life coach. It's really not very hard to explain to young fans if you try.

[VueliElsa]

Agree with above post! She can't say 'i have anxiety' because that alone is not a mental disorder, it's a feeling/emotion. She should state what anxiety disorder she actually has, otherwise you get tons of teenagers going 'ooh i have anxiety!!' when they get nervous about something, just leads to false information.

[Juliette wiskey]

I still can't get over she hasn't encouraged her audience to vote she is such a waste of a voice - then again I cant imagine Zoe actually leaving the house to vote herself the sloth

[livibobs12]

I still can't get over she hasn't encouraged her audience to vote she is such a waste of a voice - then again I cant imagine Zoe actually leaving the house to vote herself the sloth

You can post your votes so I bet Zoe has done that, she wouldn't want to be seen voting would she now . She probably thinks she'll see lots of fans there when in reality they are all under 18.


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[HeadFullofDreams]

I still can't get over she hasn't encouraged her audience to vote she is such a waste of a voice - then again I cant imagine Zoe actually leaving the house to vote herself the sloth

She posted the 'register to vote' link before the deadline, but that's about all she's done.

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[Gravebooks]

I still can't get over she hasn't encouraged her audience to vote she is such a waste of a voice - then again I cant imagine Zoe actually leaving the house to vote herself the sloth

You can post your votes so I bet Zoe has done that, she wouldn't want to be seen voting would she now . She probably thinks she'll see lots of fans there when in reality they are all under 18
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She hasn't encouraged her viewers to vote because none of them are old enough to vote. She and Alfie can bullshit all they want but nobody over the age of 13 wants to watch her talking about poo and farts with Sean and Alfie buying childish shit.